Vanderbilt Cup Races

Lauren Lester
Amazing work!!

Bruce Adams
Great to see your many accomplishments as Town Historian were recognized and appreciated.

Andy Fuhrman
Well done Howard! Every community should have someone like you!

Charpal
Saw the Newsday article   Thanx for the time you gave the town

From Newsday: Ready for HIS STORY

Paul, Let me add some additional information that might explain the lack of road fragments on the east side of the SOB. On construction sites such as these where debris removal is necessary, the material being taken off the job site is usually first gathered up by heavy earth moving equipment and accumulated in large piles before being hauled away. My guess is the material to be removed was piled up west of today’s SOB. When the desired grade level has been reached, the area is then back dragged resulting in a debris free work zone Back dragging from east to west would account for the lack of any debris on the east side of the SOB. What remnants that have showed up from time to time I believe are from from the remains of one of these piles.

From Update: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent 2019 Vanderbilt Day”- #11 Bethpage #2

Yes Dave, the photo of the Buick body shell in 2017 about the time I went down there, still there in recent visit?

From Update: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent 2019 Vanderbilt Day”- #11 Bethpage #2

Howard, saw this on your newsletter Sun. morning at 4 AM, checked the Audrain website, impressive. Except for a vague mention of a place in R.I. from a neighbor, the auto maven never heard of this place? After breakfast, bee line up to Newport. Nice size building but inside very modest first floor exhibition area, second floor, offices. Nice wall display including in the VCR area, I briefly acting as a guide with this VCR thing with some other visitors, knowing more than the official guides, how wonderful your free website, and your life, “take out cellphone camera and take a snapshot of this VCR business card with Black Beast. Worth the stop by only if spending quality time in beautiful Newport.

From Old 16 Locomobile on Display at the Audrain Automobile Museum in Newport, Rhode Island

I should have added that the well-worn path along the west side of the SOB, convincing though it be, and Howard, Al, and I went up and down there several times ‘way back, is NOT the LIMP.  There might well be LIMP-like traces at the western end of the two bridges and just north of Central but NOT between Revere and Powell, except at the bridge site.  Sam, III

From Update: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent 2019 Vanderbilt Day”- #11 Bethpage #2

My final points -
1.  I agree that the LIMP for the most part was west of the SOB but MAY also have been in places east.
2.  Lots of construction/demolition occurs over 100+ years so I’m not always sure what I find is actually LIMP roadway or hasn’t been moved for demolition purposes.  Educated guesses but I’ve been corrected a few times so maybe I’m a bit more hesitant these days.

For example by the Wheatley Hills golf course I would say have been moved so placement of objects are just one more piece of the puzzle.

From Update: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent 2019 Vanderbilt Day”- #11 Bethpage #2

Last February

From Update: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent 2019 Vanderbilt Day”- #11 Bethpage #2

Aerials can be off. The angle from which they are taken in some areas often change. I don’t study this stuff but I recall when I took the pictures of the LIMP in Albertson just south of Sigsbee Ave - both LIMP maps are incorrect and about 30 feet off southward in this location.

Nobody is addressing the REAL point here…..I’ve been convinced for a while now that the ROW ran/runs WEST of 135. There have been those that have come forward with recollections of this being the case. The Caroline Street posts made no sense being where they are if you believe the LIMP was in fact on 135 at this point.

But my entire point is…..it was west of 135. And nobody has said anything about WHAT WE UNCOVERED! How can you dispute this? We dug this up! What else can it be??? It’s one thing to map things out from aerial footage, but what we dug up is in place to this day! And it’s right next to the Caroline Street posts. It makes total sense!

From Update: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent 2019 Vanderbilt Day”- #11 Bethpage #2

We are looking approximately east in Roslyn at the intersection of Mineola Avenue (going off to the right) and Old Northern Blvd. going down the hill to the left. The current address is #1 Mineola Avenue, site of the Roslyn Village Veterinarian. This was part of the 1906 Vanderbilt Cup Race course.

From Mystery Foto #31 Solved: Then & Now: A Roslyn Curve on the 1906 Vanderbilt Cup Race Course

Never heard of Audrain before; it’s quite incredible and only an hour-and-a-half south of me so off I go!  While I’m at it, though, I commend to you all the Collings Foundation / American Heritage Museum in Hudson, MA, some 30 miles west of Boston; they have a small but fab car collection (plus military and aircraft).  Thanks yet again, Howard.  Sam, III

From Old 16 Locomobile on Display at the Audrain Automobile Museum in Newport, Rhode Island

Mark—this is probably the car you’re talking about. I don’t know much about cars, but this pic was taken in 2017.

From Update: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent 2019 Vanderbilt Day”- #11 Bethpage #2

3 Yellow ???  Marks,    Was the Old part of Central Ave.  North,
Not the LIMP.

From Update: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent 2019 Vanderbilt Day”- #11 Bethpage #2

Very cool! I probably the only here who thinks the pail oil is neat,glass flask & cork.

From Old 16 Locomobile on Display at the Audrain Automobile Museum in Newport, Rhode Island

Not much question about overlapping I-135 now, eh?  Just to make it crystal clear, I created a left-right comparison.  Thanks, Dave and Art, et al.  Sam, III

From Update: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent 2019 Vanderbilt Day”- #11 Bethpage #2

Paul - when were your pics taken?

From Update: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent 2019 Vanderbilt Day”- #11 Bethpage #2

Inside Old Bethpage Restoration Village along with many cement posts with the twisted ribbon wire.

From Update: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent 2019 Vanderbilt Day”- #11 Bethpage #2

Looking northwest at Mineola Avenue and Old Northern Blvd. Roslyn Heights.
A sharp curve during the 1906 Vanderbilt Cup race.
The building was the home of the Roslyn Veterinary Clinic at 212 Mineola Avenue.

From Mystery Foto #31 Solved: Then & Now: A Roslyn Curve on the 1906 Vanderbilt Cup Race Course

Regarding the concrete monument markers that we all come across in connection with Parkway. Most, if not all of them are from when the Parkway turned just a 100 foot wide ROW over to Moses and the three county’s. It was at this time that the entire Parkway was resurveyed and the monuments placed. The rest of the property from which the ROW was carved out of was retained by the Parkway. Past real estate taxes were then paid off on these parcels and the properties were put up for sale. Over the years these concrete monuments have been removed, reused and replaced, so please, don’t read too much in where they are found today.. Regarding Art’s mention of Thorne Ave. That road was originally part of Central Ave. east of the Parkway ROW. When the SOB was being constructed Central Ave. was moved to the south of The railroad tracks.

From Update: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent 2019 Vanderbilt Day”- #11 Bethpage #2

Carol Burton Fishman
Great article! Enjoy the next chapter!!

Christian Battestin
What’s next?

David Black
Come back…come back….come back!

Pia Williams
Howard, you are inspiring. Loved working with you and am so happy you have had an opportunity to continue doing the things you love. Say hi to Roz

From Newsday: Ready for HIS STORY

You made a difference… Now you decided to change course a little and focus on the next area to ‘make a difference’ in ....Well done Howard.

From Newsday: Ready for HIS STORY