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Jul 19 2019 frank femenias 9:17 PM

Nancy - this is becoming more interesting. If Baruch’s property did indeed extend to 900 acres as commented by Leroy Douglas, I was able to fill a 730 acre lot, including the mansion, and roughly using Al Velocci’s constraints that stretch from the LIE to Merritt Ave, with 170 acres to spare. It is said that the largest property Motor Parkway Inc. purchased for building the parkway was 891 acres in Lake Ronkonkoma.

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Jul 19 2019 mark schaier 2:33 PM

I had identified most of the car parked at Zorn’s now leveled will be the new Honda City showroom to be built, the new Zorn’s relocated next to the old site and now opened.
The cars front row right to left are,1-1941 Chrysler, 2-1946-48 DeSoto, 3-1950 Plymonth, 4-1937 Buick, 5-1949 Chevrolet, 6-1951-52 Buick, 7-1950 Olds 98, 8-?, 9-1940 Plymonth? coupe.
The upper row (in front of the store) right to left,
1-1950 Nash, 2-1952-54 Ford, 3-1951-52 Chevrolet Sedan Delivery.
My source, a magnifier, AMERICAN CAR SPOTTER’S GUIDE 1940-1965, and
Google Search mostly, and my MEMORIES OF THEM DAYS!

 

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Jul 19 2019 frank femenias 1:53 PM

Amazing detective work Howard! Based on the photos the ceremony site was definitely north of the CRR tracks, the RR sign is too far away from the event.
It appears the 16 foot Motor Parkway is situated somewhere within the roped off area of the circular crowd. The circle is larger than 16 feet. It is likely everyone is ON the roadway and just north of it, all within the 100 foot right-of-way. The ceremony stand is just north of the tree that was saved after the bridge was built, where it remained just south of the parkway roadway/bridge. I agree with Brian the top photo is looking northeast, with the tree just off the photo on the right side. With this orientation the shadows are approximately at 3:00, the time of the ceremony meet (3:30). I’m guessing the open umbrellas was for sun shade, no inclement weather apparent. One of the large RR signs was saved and currently at the RR Museum in Wantagh at Wantagh and Emeric Aves. Nice job!

Below photo as per Tim Ivers; First shovel into the actual Motor Parkway!

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Jul 18 2019 Nancy Graham 2:38 PM

My mother’s father was Charles Watkins who owned a lumber yard in Wyandanch.  Mom said his property backed up to Bernard Baruch’s property.  Looks like she got the wrong brother’s name.  As the lumber yard was on Merritt Avenue could the Baruch property have extended that far south?

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Jul 18 2019 Brian D McCarthy 9:45 AM

It all makes sense. Just realized the photographer was viewing northeast with the 1st image. The Motor Parkway Office sign is on the south side of the building. The RR crossing sign was quite large.

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Jul 18 2019 Dave Russo 12:19 AM

Hey Frank——I’ve been in there twice, and I never took any pics!

You’re right the exterior was definitely re-done but I believe much of the interior is original. It definitely didn’t appear new in there. I looked closely at many studs for any markings/dates, etc that SBIII said would/might be there but found nothing.

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Jul 17 2019 frank femenias 11:58 PM

Amazing footage never seen before and continues! It looks good Howard, give me some time to analyze. You’re likely right on target. Never seen these images before

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Jul 16 2019 S. Berlner, III 10:01 PM

That Zorn’s pic takes me back (NOT aback) but it’s far t0o grainy to do much with.  I’ve marked up what I can see with some degree of certainly.  1 is a ‘40 or ‘41 Chrysler, 2 is a ‘46-48 Chrysler product, probably a Dodge, 3 is a ‘50 Chrysler product, probably a Plymouth, 5 may well be a ca. 1952 Mercedes 220 Cabriolet A, 8 is so indistinct that it could be a late-‘40s Ford or a ‘50 Chrysler product, and 10 is unmistakably a ‘49-52 “bathtub” Nash Airflyte (Ambassador or Statesman?).  Funny, I don’t recall Zorn’s lot being gravel; I think I’d remember that.  Sam, III

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Jul 16 2019 Rosemary Lucas 2:23 PM

This is for Roz—-I just want to thank you for your support of Howard in all of his endeavors . I am Steve’s wife so I understand fully how necessary it is to spend more ‘together time” —ENJOY

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Jul 16 2019 frank femenias 12:35 PM

Howard - Was the ground-breaking ceremony truly held north of the LIMP? I always thought it was south on that stretch of grass, the former CRR right-of-way.

Also was the 1948 Jerusalem Road LIMP bridge looking south? There is a culvert to the right of the bridge (east?) in the photo, where today rest a basin to the east of the former bridge.

Never knew about Zorn’s turkey farm but they are still using the same logo on their restaurant signs today.

Brian - Love the mysteries. I had noticed the alamy watermarks on the photo. There are but two that are well hidden. Did you notice them?

Always learning something here, thanks Howard and friends! 
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Frank, it is a good question of where the ground-breaking stand was located. I will post a photo that shows the relationship of the stand with a LIRR crossing sign.

The caption “view looking south” is confirmed on the above August 20, 1908 photo of the bridge with the culvert on the right.

From Updated: Mystery Foto #28 Solved: Bethpage's Important Section of the Motor Parkway & Zorn's

Jul 16 2019 frank femenias 11:42 AM

Dave - When you visited inside P.O. Zinzi’s motorcycle garage, did the existing studs/joists appear a century old (frail, discolored from leaks), or newer and perhaps replaced at some point? This century old + structure has an immaculate exterior!

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Jul 16 2019 Tom 8:32 AM

Love that pic Frank, gas up and eat!

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Jul 16 2019 Tom 8:26 AM

The newest car at Zorn’s looks like a 1952 Ford.  Most are from the late ‘40’s.

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Jul 16 2019 Brian D McCarthy 12:16 AM

Sorry about that, Frank F. I know how maddening these old aerials can be. Wonder if the original image displayed a larger area? ( found this on Alamy )

If I found this image as “location unknown”, I’d be studying this along with everyone else, Sam III !

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Jul 15 2019 Bruce Craig 11:39 PM

The other Phantoms in the movie were done by “trick mirrors”, not wax or cardboard. The Phantom was not designed by Gordon Buerig (who did design the Cord 810 that Russ Heinz owned and from which the power train and partial chassis was taken and used in the Phantom). Another article says “straight eight” engine which, of course, is incorrect because the Lycoming engine from the Cord used in the Phantom was a V8.

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Jul 15 2019 Tim Ivers 9:18 PM

Congratulations Howard.  Everything you’ve been involved with has been known for quality and high standards.  That’s mainly due to you. Glad to see you’re “shifting gears” and going to enjoy some carpe dime time.

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Jul 15 2019 Frank Mendyk 7:07 PM

I also forgot to mention that Zorn’s Turkey farm would be on the top of the photo.

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Jul 15 2019 frank femenias 12:31 PM

Congratulations Howard on receiving the rewards, they’re most deserving for all that you do. I often wonder how you cover all the bases between family, events, the cars, society….. sorta like Steven Seagal – the one man army. This is not an ending but a fresh start to a new beginning. Congrats
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Frank, there is only so much time in one day. The key is use it wisely and with the right people!

From Howard Kroplick Leaves His Town Historian Position After 7 & 1/2 Years

Jul 15 2019 Frank Mendyk 11:50 AM

Location - Bethpage (Central Park) looking southeast over Stewart Ave, LIMP, and   LIRR Central Branch
Location of LIMP - the LIMP runs on a diagonal on the lower left side of the aerial
The Central Branch runs next to LIMP
Major Roads - Arthur Ave, Stewart Ave, Broadway, Hempstead Turnpike and Lincoln Blvd. (runs on a diagonal off of Stewart Ave).
Important event- Ground breaking ceremony of the LIMP June 6, 1908, corner of Stewart Ave (Jerusalem Rd) and LIMP.
Commercial entity - St. Joseph’s Hospital
Date of photo - 1953.  The house appears to be under construction on Lincoln Blvd.  The house was built in 1953.

From Updated: Mystery Foto #28 Solved: Bethpage's Important Section of the Motor Parkway & Zorn's

Jul 15 2019 Michael Cain 9:57 AM

Happy to hear that you are making some changes to enjoy time with your family Howard. You have contributed so much to several organizations and you can be proud of your many contributions. Also happy to hear that you will continue to lead the Long Island Motor Parkway group.

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