Vanderbilt Cup Races

Location: The Mott section of Garden City.

Date: I would have to say any time from the 1920s (when the Mott section was built, by heirs to the Mott apple juice company fortune) and 1938 when the LIMP closed (the LIMP looks like an active road on the map).

Significance: The old Mineola fairgrounds in the northwest corner of the map? This land was taken by Nassau County in 1953 and is now the site of the county government buildings.

From Mystery Foto #21 Solved: A 1914 Map of the Garden City Section of the Long Island Motor Parkway

1) We are in Garden City
2) Between 1927 and 1939. The area around Triangle Park, Plot #166 wasn’t developed in 1927.
3)The Mineola Fairgrounds is misidentified? Why was Prescott Rd. changed to Wyatt Rd.?

From Mystery Foto #21 Solved: A 1914 Map of the Garden City Section of the Long Island Motor Parkway

  This photo is of a planned and filed subdivision showing ( S/B/L ) Section. Block
and Lot Number in Garden City, NY.  Dated after the closing of the LIMP, probably
after the end of WWII in the mid- 40’s and or early 50"s.  Map could also serve for
zoning,  assessments,  special districts, taxing needs, fire, postal and school
district etc.

From Mystery Foto #21 Solved: A 1914 Map of the Garden City Section of the Long Island Motor Parkway

The map appears to be a plan for Garden City.  South of Old Country Rd, and north of Stewart Ave.  The layout was not used as proposed.  The map is probably made in the 1920’s or 30’s, because the military hospital is no longer there.

From Mystery Foto #21 Solved: A 1914 Map of the Garden City Section of the Long Island Motor Parkway

Top road is Old Country rd. Parkway runs along Russel rd in GC turns east before Stewart ave.

From Mystery Foto #21 Solved: A 1914 Map of the Garden City Section of the Long Island Motor Parkway

Whoops, I couldn’t have been more further from the truth on the other side of this long island. Excellent sleuthing by all, Vanderbilt’s Martini & Rossi it is! I think I’ll have a drink…

From Mystery Friday Foto #20 Solved: The End of the 1960 Cornelius Vanderbilt Cup Race

I didn’t answer this,because I wasn’t sure of my answers.I originally thought B’hampton because of ped bridge.But ruled it out because of mall style parking lot lights and bank building in distance.I did kind of remember this revival being held at Roosevelt raceway and thought building in background might be Meadowbrook hospital(NC med center now).Anyway,whether I know answer or not,I love Mystery photos!Great feature Howard.

From Mystery Friday Foto #20 Solved: The End of the 1960 Cornelius Vanderbilt Cup Race

Cornelius Vanderbilt Cup, held by Cornelius Vanderbilt Jr. and race winner Harry Carter. The race was run at Roosevelt Raceway on June 18-19 1960, Carter won driving a Stanguellini Formula Junior the S logo on his racing suit is the company logo. Bob Swanson

From Mystery Friday Foto #20 Solved: The End of the 1960 Cornelius Vanderbilt Cup Race

Mystery Foto #20… The race was the Cornelius Vanderbilt IV Cup Race. The trophy was of course The Vanderbilt Cup. The two people holding the cup are Cornelius Vanderbilt IV to the left and winning driver Harry Carter. The photo was taken at Roosevelt Raceway on June 19, 1960. The course used a portion of the parking facilities and access roads for the harness racing track. The “S” logo on Carter’s overall was the symbol for the Stanguellini race cars. WFYI radio was based in Mineola.
I have always thought that the choice of Formula Junior race cars for this event was a very odd choice. Many of these drivers were seasoned pros used to very fast cars, but the cars they were driving that day were nothing more than an “entry level” machines in which neophyte drivers could learn racing skills. The cars used inexpensive mechanical components from ordinary automobiles. They were powered by 1000 cc motors. The were not particularly fast. and were not a professional class of race car at all.

From Mystery Friday Foto #20 Solved: The End of the 1960 Cornelius Vanderbilt Cup Race

I have only few answers. Bridgehampton Racing Circuit, Noyak, NY. The victory group was standing on the main straight of the race course by the pit area (left side of photo where the racers are parked). Photographer is facing NE towards the Martini & Rossi pedestrian overpass. The Chevron overpass is behind the photographer on the same straightaway. Based on clothing, microphone, hair styles, lamp posts, this photo was taken in the early ‘60s. The “S” is possibly for SCCA. Could that be Willie K’s nephew Cornelius Vanderbilt IV presenting the cup? Waiting patiently for this week’s answers. HURRY UP!

The race course is now entirely occupied by the Bridge Golf Course. Map link—>
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1396j0_672hYkvbcNFJInbc1mXNJspD9f&ll=40.9829402530793,-72.34230764357858&z=15

Cockpit view video while racing on The Bridge—>
https://youtu.be/UnT4d_Mt6kg

From Mystery Friday Foto #20 Solved: The End of the 1960 Cornelius Vanderbilt Cup Race

Race: 1960 Vanderbilt Cup Race
Trophy: Cornelius Vanderbilt Cup
People holding the trophy: Cornelius Vanderbilt IV, Henry Carter
Photo place & date: Roosevelt Raceway, June 1960
“S” logo: Stanguellini. An Italian maker of small sports cars.
WFYI base: Mineola
Orientation of the photographer? No idea

From Mystery Friday Foto #20 Solved: The End of the 1960 Cornelius Vanderbilt Cup Race

I wonder if that painting was used as a backdrop because the train was number 999. Turn 999 over and it is 666 the sign of the Devil! It has been a long time since I have seen that movie but wasn’t that meeting a turning point of the Organization?

From Update: The Hunt for the "Godfather" Train Painting is Over

This stretch of LIMP from Raff Ave to Weatbury Ave, and a bit over Westbury Ave before the ballfields is a very unique and easily accessible route.

I definitely recommend going in late winter / very early spring as the thorns make things a lot less fun and visible!

From Sam & Dave’s “Excellent 2019 Vanderbilt Day”- #7 Mineola & Carle Place

Recognized Cornelius V., IV, so it had to be the “phoney” 1960 race at Roosevelt Field (I vas dere, Cholly, even to being on the course in my XK-120M Jag afterwards),  I usually work from memory but, this time, I cheated big time!  Look at the course map, attached.  We must be at the finish line looking (LI) west at the Martini & Rossi bridge on Sunday, 19 June.  C.V.,IV is handing his cup to Henry Carter, driver of the winning Stanguellini FIAT.  Carter’s “S” badge (took me forever to find it!) stands for Stanguellini (also attached).  FYI, WFYI has been in Indianapolis since 15 Mar 1988 but was in Mineola at 1520 on your AM dial ‘way back.  I vaguely remember a tall antenna atop a building across the north plaza from the Mineola station - anyone?  ‘Nuf cheating?  Sam, III

From Mystery Friday Foto #20 Solved: The End of the 1960 Cornelius Vanderbilt Cup Race

Thanks to Greg Anderson and Jerry Jordak for clearing up this mystery. The painting as it appears in the movie scenes has subdued colors which are similar to the color pallet of much of my grandfather’s early work. However the pictures of the painting in its current state show its correct pallet, and it clearly is not a Helck.

The artist, Lumen Martin Winters, executed many murals for public buildings, including the United Nations General Assembly building. You can learn more about him here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumen_Martin_Winter.

From Update: The Hunt for the "Godfather" Train Painting is Over

Just so nice to see the father /son activity - the memories being made and shared with all of us. SO few people now take an interest in what is around them to notice significant places and pieces in time , and just rely upon and take for granted that “someone” will record it for them so they can have it when it suits them.

From Sam & Dave’s “Excellent 2019 Vanderbilt Day”- #7 Mineola & Carle Place

I imagine the low price received for the painting was due mainly because of its size, very very large! I have a b & w sketch done by Peter Helck that I bought from Austin Clark at least 4 decades ago that also has a train in the backround - Peter used a large scale Buddy L toy train set for the scale and proportion of his art work and had one of these Buddy L ‘outdoor railroads’ on the wall of his studio . When I visited him with Austin I saw it and told Peter ” hey I have one of those” we both enjoyed that and spoke about how well Buddy L toys reproduced the proportions etc of the Baldwin locomotive in the 1920s. I am taking my sketch with also has three old cars in the foreground on a road scene ( curved dash Olds, Old 16 etc) to be reframed as the paper is starting to wrinkle and it will eventually be sold as I just have to much stuff and no place to display it.

From Update: The Hunt for the "Godfather" Train Painting is Over

While strictly a technical novice regarding these striking classics, I love their period beauty.

From Close-ups of Two 2017 Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance Winners

Love this series ....Thanks again for the effort taken to compile this series…

From Sam & Dave’s “Excellent 2019 Vanderbilt Day”- #7 Mineola & Carle Place

Mystery #20
Cornelius Vanderbilt Cup Formula Junior SCCA race
Winner’s Circle, Roosevelt Field road course June 19, 1960
CV IV and winner Harry Carter in photo
Carter raced a Stanguellini, presumed “S”

Photog could have been standing on the TV remote van, slight elevation over crowd.  Possible but very unlikely he was balanced on the front wheels of this racecar.

Regarding the snooty, back-handed comment in your own report…
I assure you this race was taken very seriously by Masters Carter, Wallace, Truitt, Davis, and Flink who, with their own cars and money, defeated teams with well-known hired-gun drivers.  For SCCA amateur drivers to race against the Rodriguez brothers, Walt Hansgen, and Rodger Ward was a great opportunity;  then to defeat them, amazing to think about nearly sixty years later.  Westfield Walt and Ward had a history of winning in northeast, Lime Rock events of this time period.  They were not celebrity fish out of water.  Way to go Carter, Truitt, and Lew Flink!

Thank you for posting the photo.
Gary
ELVA / Scorpion club
elleva.net

From Mystery Friday Foto #20 Solved: The End of the 1960 Cornelius Vanderbilt Cup Race