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Identify the location: Queens, near Creedmoor

Identify the major roads: Winchester Blvd., Commonwealth Blvd., LIMP

What is the major road being planned? Union Turnpike

Which Motor Parkway bridges are in the Mystery Foto? Old and New Winchester Blvd. Bridges, Commonwealth Bridge, Little Next Bridge, Creedmoor Pedestrian Bridge

What is the approximate year of the aerial. Provide a rationale.1932 - Union Turnpike Expansion planned but nothing done yet.  LIMP has been moved. 

From Mystery Foto #23 Solved: Planning for the Extension of Union Turnpike in Queens (Circa 1931/1932)

I haven’t a clue but this is very interesting.  My first thought is Union Turnpike because it’s too early to be Northern State Pkwy and certainly not the LIE aborning.  I just can’t find any such alignment anywhere; perhaps it’s facing south but I am so doggedly north-oriented, as are most maps and plans.  There just aren’t that many places where the LIMP parallels NSP or any other major route.  Hmm.  Another “can’t wait”.  Sam, III

From Mystery Foto #23 Solved: Planning for the Extension of Union Turnpike in Queens (Circa 1931/1932)

Watching the 1911 Indy film for the umpteenth time (of the 45K), it hit me how wildly exciting it must be to see YOUR OWN car in action!  Sam, III

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Might one inquire as to the identity of the white-haired gentleman?  Clearly he is NOT Herb (1874-1932).  His son (in his ‘90s)?  Sam, III
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Howard Kroplick

The man in the Top Gun hat is Bob Lytle, Herb’s 98-year old son. Please see Bridgette’s below comment.

From The Family of Vanderbilt Cup Racer Herb Lytle Has a Reunion at the 2019 Indy 500

Adding to my previous comments: Why would Union Turnpike need to be improved at that time? The answer is, for the 1939 World’s Fair. I remember that similar road improvements were made in Queens for the 1964 fair: extension of the Van Wyck Expressway, and construction of the Kew Gardens interchange.

From Mystery Foto #23 Solved: Planning for the Extension of Union Turnpike in Queens (Circa 1931/1932)

This is a photo of the Creed farm/Alley pond park on the left and the proposed Union turnpike going east bound.The Winchester Blvd & Creedmoor bridge can be seen.Great picture Howard. Thanks for posting it. Gene

From Mystery Foto #23 Solved: Planning for the Extension of Union Turnpike in Queens (Circa 1931/1932)

Location Queens, Union Turnpike being planned, Motor Parkway ROW above it and moving eastward paralleling the Union Turnpike marked extension. Winchester Blvd running North/South on the left Little Neck Parkway on the far right . Farm way Bridge where Creedmoor hospital now stands, time period late 1920’s.

From Mystery Foto #23 Solved: Planning for the Extension of Union Turnpike in Queens (Circa 1931/1932)

LIMP Queens.  Two bridges over Winchester.  Bridge over Common Wealth and Little Neck.  Grand Central (Northern State) is up top.  Looks like breaking ground.  Union Turnpike is left to right lower in picture.

From Mystery Foto #23 Solved: Planning for the Extension of Union Turnpike in Queens (Circa 1931/1932)

The location is over the Creedmoor-Glen Oaks section of eastern Queens County.  In addition to the LIMP, other major roads include Winchester Blvd., Commonwealth Blvd., Little Neck Pkwy., and the eastern terminus (at Winchester Blvd.) of Union Turnpike, the extension of which, was the major road being planned. In the top left corner we can also see construction underway for the Grand Central Pkwy. The LIMP bridges are: Winchester Blvd. (both of them); Creedmoor pedestrian; Commonwealth Blvd.; and Little Neck Pkwy. The date of the photo is probably 1932 since there are still 2 LIMP bridges over Winchester Blvd. and construction has already started on the GCP (which began in 1931) but has not been completed to Nassau County yet which happened in 1933.

From Mystery Foto #23 Solved: Planning for the Extension of Union Turnpike in Queens (Circa 1931/1932)

1932 Aerial over Queens
Lower left showing 2 bridges (LIMP) over Winchester Blvd.
The proposed road was Union Turnpike.

From Mystery Foto #23 Solved: Planning for the Extension of Union Turnpike in Queens (Circa 1931/1932)

Location is Bellerose, Queens. I assume that the planned road is indicated by the black parallel lines, and that would be Union Turnpike. Major north-south roads, which cross the Motor Parkway, are from west to east, Winchester Blvd., Commonwealth Blvd., and Little Neck Parkway. The road in the center right, which runs diagonally, is Shiloh Ave. In the upper left can be seen the Grand Central Parkway, but it looks like it’s under construction. The Cross Island Parkway is missing from the photo. Since the GCP opened in 1936 and the CIP opened in 1940, I would put the date of this photo in the early-to-mid ‘30s.

From Mystery Foto #23 Solved: Planning for the Extension of Union Turnpike in Queens (Circa 1931/1932)

What a great aerial depicting “what’s to come!” Another hard to find gem. Great stuff!!

From Mystery Foto #23 Solved: Planning for the Extension of Union Turnpike in Queens (Circa 1931/1932)

Regarding the posts—-I certainly thought these wood posts had to be original to the LIMP. Then one day while on a run, I go over the Stewart Ave bridge over the Wantagh, the first bridge north of this location, and found these exact same posts still there. These must have been original Wantagh Parkway bridge posts, but it seems like they are not original to the LIMP.

From Sam & Dave’s “Excellent 2019 Vanderbilt Day”- #9 East Meadow and Levittown

-Identify the location
Directly over Creedmore

-Identify the major roads
LIMP horizontally, Winchester Blvd vertical on the left, Commonwealth Blvdvertical on the right

-What is the major road being planned?
Union Tpke

-Which Motor Parkway bridges are in the Mystery Foto?
Winchester, Creedmore, Commonwealth, and Little Neck Pkwy bridges

-What is the approximate year of the aerial. Provide a rationale.
Both Winchester bridges present so a guess would be 1931/32

From Mystery Foto #23 Solved: Planning for the Extension of Union Turnpike in Queens (Circa 1931/1932)

This ts the Creedmoor/Glen Oaks area of eastern Queens circa 1930 or thereabouts. Both Union Tpke. and the Grand Central Pkwy. are in the planning or ground clearing stages. The Motor Pkwy. is shown crossing Winchester Blvd.,Commonwealth Blvd.,and Little Neck Pkwy.

From Mystery Foto #23 Solved: Planning for the Extension of Union Turnpike in Queens (Circa 1931/1932)

Hi Tom, here is a map link to Deepdale’s location.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1396j0_672hYkvbcNFJInbc1mXNJspD9f&ll=40.76128665219122,-73.70715602543396&z=17

From Sam & Dave’s “Excellent 2019 Vanderbilt Day”- #9 East Meadow and Levittown

Looks like the re routing of the Motor Parkway at Winchester Blvd just west of Creedmoor in the 1920s to make room for Union Tpk

From Mystery Foto #23 Solved: Planning for the Extension of Union Turnpike in Queens (Circa 1931/1932)

Great photos! Thanks for sharing!

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I always found the ROW’s for the LIMP & Central RR interesting East & West of the Wantagh Parkway. Feel that you’re going to find something that you haven’t before.

Too bad they gave the ‘how you dare look’ when passing through the grandstand area. Takes more than that to break us.

Perfect time of the year to witness the road bed E/O Jerusalem Ave. Nice images guys.

From Sam & Dave’s “Excellent 2019 Vanderbilt Day”- #9 East Meadow and Levittown

Can someone help me out: Where is the precise location/directions to Willie K.‘s Deepdale Mansion? Is it approachable by car? Who owns it today and how is it purposed? Does anyone have a link to present-day photos of the mansion? Thanks!
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Howard Kroplick

Here is a link to a current view: http://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/index.php/blog/article/mystery_friday_foto_20_a_parking_lot_for_a_long_island_meeting

From Sam & Dave’s “Excellent 2019 Vanderbilt Day”- #9 East Meadow and Levittown