Vanderbilt Cup Races

The last 2 photos are definitely the steps leading towards the lake.Kept looking back and forth at Ron Ridolphs photos, and the present day images that we’ve captured.

From 1958-1967 tours of the Long Island Motor Parkway #6: Petit Trianon in Lake Ronkonkoma

Sam - here’s an article from The Automobile of May 10, 1906 with some more info. on the Zust.  Hope all is well!

From Kleiner's Korner: Two Cars that Didn't Make it to the 1908 Vanderbilt Cup Race

I was curious about the street that branches east from Glen Cove Road just south of the Northern State. Looking at a modern map, I see that it must be Asbury Avenue, which no longer connects with Glen Cove Road due to the presence of the Meadowbrook.

From Mystery Foto #5 Solved: A 1950 aerial over the Northern State Parkway from the Cradle of Aviation Archives

I can just make out the road barrier between Jericho Tpke and the Mineola Lodge in the last 1950 aerial. And the LIMP is more clearly seen through the golf course.

From Mystery Foto #5 Solved: A 1950 aerial over the Northern State Parkway from the Cradle of Aviation Archives

Neat.  Understand how it needs to be moving forward at speed to keep cool, so I’m guessing that the HP and torque show a lot lower than if there had been a way to keep that big radiator and engine cool enough.

From The Alco Black Beast passes a dyno test

The Nethercutt ALCO was found right here in Ridgefield, Ct. by Henry Austin Clark some time right after WWII. Junk yard is long gone and is part of St. Mary Cemetery.

Bob

From In Search of Alcos: #5 1912 Alco 7-Passenger Touring Car at the Nethercutt Collection

Over Mineola/Carle Place/East Williston looking north on top at the Northern State Parkway/Meadowbrook State Parkway interchange.

Motor Pkwy running vertically about 1/3 from the left. From the north, Wheatley Hills golfway bridge, Hillside Ave parkway bridge, Jericho Tpke highway bridge with Mineola lodge.

MSP/NSP interchange, Hillside Ave/Jericho Tpke interchange, LIMP, Glen Cove Rd.

Wheatley Hills Golf course.

Date could be before the LIE construction in 1958. I don’t see GCP’s exit ramp to access the LIE, at the north end of GCP’s Objector’s Bend at the top of the photo.

From Mystery Foto #5 Solved: A 1950 aerial over the Northern State Parkway from the Cradle of Aviation Archives

-Location and orientation of the photographer
Looking North over Westbury / Westbury Road and Glen Cove Road

-Location of the Motor Parkway and its structures
Enters the picture bottom center. Bridge over Jericho Turnpike clearly visible, not so much over E Williston Ave or the golf course.
Road to the Jericho Turnpike Lodge is seen.

-Major roads and parkways
Jericho Turnpike and E Williston Ave cut righ to left center
Glen Cove Road top to bottom
NSP snakes in center right to middle top

-Golf course
Currently the Wheatley Hills Golf Club. Originally the William Titus farm a farm bridge was built over the LIMP. Became a golf course in 1913 as the Midland Golf Club.
https://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/blog/article/long_island_motor_parkway_bridge_series_25_wheatley_hills_golfway_bridge_in

-What was the date of the Mystery Foto? Provide a rationale.
Between 1934 to 1958. The LIE made it to Glen Cove Road in ‘58 which sets the latest date, actually earlier sined that is the date of opening and no construction is evident.  The route of the Northern State Parkway was extended around “Objectors’ Bend” to EXIT 31 (Glen Cove Road) in Carle Place in 1934 (Wikipedia).

From Mystery Foto #5 Solved: A 1950 aerial over the Northern State Parkway from the Cradle of Aviation Archives

Photographer facing north
The LIMP runs north and south from th bottom of the photo next to the white portion (possible sand pits) up the the golf course. There is an underpass and a ramp to the LIMP
Northern state pkwy, meadowbrook pkwy,  glen cove rd hillside ave. Jericho tpke
Wheatley hills gc
1957 since the Meadowbrook was completed in the fall of 1956

From Mystery Foto #5 Solved: A 1950 aerial over the Northern State Parkway from the Cradle of Aviation Archives

RE:Covid Vaccination. Because of an email I received from Roslyn Historical Society,I was able to get an appointment at Stonybrook. I want to send a heartfelt thank you. Thanks,Howard, Casey DeNicola

From COVID-19 Vaccine Links

Thank you for posting this and for all your work on this treasure of a website. Can you describe how far the walk is from the parking area to the vaccination area. I am taking my mother on Friday. Appreciated!

From My COVID-19 vaccination experience at Aqueduct Racetrack in Queens

Mystery photo #5 is where the Northern State Parkway crosses Glen Cove Rd.  The roadway going left to right is Rt 25/Jericho Tpke.  The camera is facing north and the golf course in the distance is North Hills Country Club.  The Vanderbilt Hwy is at the right edge of the group of houses and passes under Jericho Tpke.  I see my mom’s house in the photo and it was built in 1952 so my guess as to the year of the photo is 1953.

From Mystery Foto #5 Solved: A 1950 aerial over the Northern State Parkway from the Cradle of Aviation Archives

Someone asked about the name Suburban. It not exclusive to cars. Trolley companies used it in the 1800s.  Jos Cantrell called his Woodie hacks Suburban’s. He never took out a copy write on the term so Chevy and GMC used it for free.  Albert Cantrell’s son was a lawyer and went to work for Chrysler about 1959.

From From the Hugh Nutting Collection: Insight into the Woodies of Huntington's J.T. Cantrell and Company

The photographer was over Mineola looking north toward East Williston. The LIMP is just to the left of center running north/south with the most visible structure being the bridge under Jericho Turnpike. Other structures would have been the Mineola “Toll Lodge”, bridge over Hillside Avenue (E. Williston Ave.), Wheatley Hills golfway bridge, Robbins Lane farmway bridge, Roslyn Road bridge and Roslyn Lodge, LIRR bridge and Willis Avenue bridge. Additional major roads include Glen Cove Road, Northern State Parkway and possibly I. U. Willets Road. The golf course is Wheatley Hills. It appears that the Hillside Avenue bridge has already been demolished, which I believe happened in 1940, so I’ll guess 1940 for the date.

From Mystery Foto #5 Solved: A 1950 aerial over the Northern State Parkway from the Cradle of Aviation Archives

Art’s comment reminds me that the brothers John and Anton Kliegl invented the klieg light that found widespread use in early Hollywood. They named their light the “kleiglight” but somewhere along the way the “light” got separated from the “klieg.”

From Audio: "The Little Chauffeur" from the 1906 Broadway Show "The Vanderbilt Cup"

The creator of the effects, Kliegl Brothers, was located near the Theater District in Manhattan.

From Audio: "The Little Chauffeur" from the 1906 Broadway Show "The Vanderbilt Cup"

Ever wonder how the special effects in the Vanderbilt Cup Race Broadway production were done? Here you go with a special nod to the photographers and special effects gurus among our readership.

From Audio: "The Little Chauffeur" from the 1906 Broadway Show "The Vanderbilt Cup"

I believe the photographer as over the Roosevelt Field area, looking North. E see the Northern State Parkway interchange with Jericho and the Meadowbrook. The Wheatley Golf Course is near the top of the picture. The Motor Parkway comes South from the golf course, crossing Hillside Ave. and then Jericho. The Motor Parkway entrance to Jericho is visible, and also possibly the Roslyn Lodge.

From Mystery Foto #5 Solved: A 1950 aerial over the Northern State Parkway from the Cradle of Aviation Archives

The photographer was over Carle Place near the Mineola border. The view is looking north. Jericho Tpke. bridge over LIMP and the Mineola toll house and the Hillside Ave. bridge are visible. Can’t make out if the farmway bridge and Roslyn Road bridge have been demolished yet. The LIRR bridge would still be there, but not visible. Northern State Pkwy. and Guinea Woods Rd. running parallel north/south and Hillside Ave. and Jericho Tpke. both running east/west. LIMP made it’s curves through Wheatley golf course and heads south through Mineola and Carle Place. The Roslyn Country Club home development behind the golf course was built mostly in 1949. The roads are clearly visible,but I can’t see any houses. Best guess when this picture was taken would be 1949 -1951.

From Mystery Foto #5 Solved: A 1950 aerial over the Northern State Parkway from the Cradle of Aviation Archives

They been trying to make cars fly and float for ever! Even James Bond had flying cars.
AMC Hornet (?) and cars that become submarines Lotus Elite.  But in the end, cars do
much better on the ground. Want to fly, get a plane, Want to go to sea, get a boat.
Great piece of history, Thanks

From A 1936 flying car, Roosevelt Field and a Tucker engine