Vanderbilt Cup Races

Look at the old pictures. From the top of the abutment that first “lip” is very thick. Look at the newer pics. That same lip is nowhere near as big/thick. There is no way around that. I dont think this was the bridge abutment! I think this was the wall that was clearly on both sides. I think the pics I submitted show the LIMP remnants that they dug up. The fragments are right along the ROW. They didn’t dig down 15 feet. This LIMP was not far under the grass.

I admit it’s very ironic that both sides of the wall remain(ed) on both sides at that location.

The only way to prove this is to get out the shovels one day and go Art’s buddy’s house on the eastern side and get digging!

From Update #1: Time to Wail: The Western Wall of the Mayan Ruins is Gone

Getting late. After several hours, all research has led to dead ends. I give up.
Looking forward to the answer.

From Mystery Foto #36 Unveiled: Christopher Morley's Cat Teaches How to Draw A Map of Long Island in 1927

Negate Michael

Kreighton, he is one of our contemporaries and not of 1927 ...Midnight in Paris thing

From Ten Tucker Photos from Kimball Studios, Courtesy of Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance

Are my eyes decieving me? If I zoom in on the simple map it appears as if that dot is not fitzgeralds house but possibly the late Dr. Michael Kreightons (Jurassic park and Andronomous Strain author) home in Roslyn. Did this author mention of this fish thing in his book “Travels”

From Mystery Foto #36 Unveiled: Christopher Morley's Cat Teaches How to Draw A Map of Long Island in 1927

I agree young and old should do a bit more penciling and map making. Years ago I tried to start a class on mapmaking with homemade and simple household tools. I had one student. The class was a failure for me. It seems people on the whole do not care where they are. GPS is a wonderful tool but that and cheap Asian shoes (that rarely come in widths) will probably be greatly contributory to the downfall of this nation.

I’m not going to do any web research on this mystery but I believe the fish is an F Scott Fitzgerald innovation from his book the great hats you. Somewhere in the book northern Blvd was described as a major north shore artery to the Gold Coast.

The small dot on one of the fins is the actual location of fitzgeralds real house in great neck. I know the house but I have not been there in more than thirty years. Nearby is a snakes and steep road that has lots of confusing chain accidents every time there is an ice storm.

From Mystery Foto #36 Unveiled: Christopher Morley's Cat Teaches How to Draw A Map of Long Island in 1927

I posted a current satellite view on my LIMP Bridges page:

  http://sbiii.com/limpbrdg.html#gardcity

for the record (for whatever that’s worth - not much, but it’s there).  Sam, III

From Update #1: Time to Wail: The Western Wall of the Mayan Ruins is Gone

The East Abutment has yet to fall, still vined and tall.

Residents of the new homes should be relatives or friends, those house’s are quite close to each other.

From Update #1: Time to Wail: The Western Wall of the Mayan Ruins is Gone

These photos are fabulous!  Congrats again!

From Ten Tucker Photos from Kimball Studios, Courtesy of Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance

What is the number (360 on the can I have) stamped on tag mean?

From Mystery Foto #86 Solved: Antique Five Gallon Can Manufactured by George D. Ellis & Sons, Inc.

  My pure guess is James Thruber by virtue of the simplicity of the drawing…

From Mystery Foto #36 Unveiled: Christopher Morley's Cat Teaches How to Draw A Map of Long Island in 1927

Wah!  Just a reminder, though, that there are some Jan 2008 pix and an Aug 2017 satellite view at:

  http://sbiii.com/limpbrdg.html#gardcity

Sam, III

From Update #1: Time to Wail: The Western Wall of the Mayan Ruins is Gone

Update: September 8, 2018

Close-Up of the likely location of the Ronkonkoma Lodge.

From Mystery Foto #16 Solved:1930 Aerial of the Long Island Motor Parkway at Lake Ronkonkoma-Updated 9/18

Sinking of the Lusitania: An American Tragedy, was aired on the Smithsonian Channel recently. I was quite surprised there was no mentioning of Alfred Gwynne Vanderbilt and Ronald Denyers assistance with passengers. Episode was well done otherwise.

From Five More Vanderbilt Cup Race Photos from the Pickering Collection

Greg H.
Congratulations on your win at Pebble Beach. To do that well on a car put together under a time crunch is remarkable. The restorers have to be great craftsman. It took me 9 years ( working mostly afternoons) to complete our Packard, so you can see why I’m impressed.

From Tucker 1044 Receiving its 2018 Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance Award

Lee - Fantastic zooms! Still not sure the name of unknown roadway but it does line up directly with still existing Chestnut Street on the west end of Mitchel Field

From A Chambers Profile: The Meadow Brook Polo Fields

Sam,

I think Howard meant to post the overlay photo on this page.  It can be seen here however:

http://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/images/blog/Base_Reconfiguration_House_Construction_1932.jpg

Same shot without the overlay is found here:

http://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/images/blog/2018-01-04_12-28-49_edited-1-1.jpg

From Mystery Foto #1 Solved: 1932 Aerial of the Meadow Brook Hunt Club from the SMU Ritchie Collection

“Photo with road overlay”???  Sam, III

From Mystery Foto #1 Solved: 1932 Aerial of the Meadow Brook Hunt Club from the SMU Ritchie Collection

The photo of the hangers at Mitchel Field is significant in that in coincides with the culmination of the Base Reconfiguration between 1927 - 1932 in which virtually all of the brick buildings (many of which are still standing and in use today) were constructed.

Of particular interest is just to the North of the hangers where the Parade Grounds / Quadrangle (the focal point of the new Base layout) had not yet been established.  The foundations of much older wooden buildings left over from the WW1 Camp Mills era are still visible, in some cases, literally feet away from the new brick structures.  These wooden structures were torn down to make way for the Officers’ reviewing area of troops. 

For example, although the houses in a semi-circle have been erected, notice how Rice Circle (and the back alley behind the houses) have not yet been built.  From this shot I can not only see the Commanding Officer’s Quarters that I grew up in, but actually see my side bedroom window! 

Also missing is Hazelhurst Avenue running North towards Stewart Ave., this despite the lone house at the intersection of what would become Hazelhurst and Miller Avenues is already standing (it became 359 Hazelhurst).  In the ‘70’s, that house was used by NCC as the Faculty Club for a while. 

More significantly, and speaking of Miller Ave., a long gone road from the Camp Mills era which I have never been able to locate a name for is seen cutting laterally across what will become the Quad, parallel to Miller leading in a straight line into my house at 363 Rice Circle.  This road also ran parallel to Davis Ave. and ran as far East as the edge of the property, bordering the Westernmost fringe of the Polo Grounds at East Avenue.

Does anyone know of the name of this ‘Unknown Road’ outlined in yellow? 

Photo with road overlay attached.

From Mystery Foto #1 Solved: 1932 Aerial of the Meadow Brook Hunt Club from the SMU Ritchie Collection

Frank - you’re right, the original grandstands were not large enough to support 40K patrons.  But the newer, larger ones were.  Those two antennas in the rear of the white roofs in 1924 might have been flag poles. 

Sam, you are are also correct.  Later photos beyond Frank’s 1926 aerial shot show additional buildings behind the easternmost grandstand.

Zoom in on the artwork for the Plymouth ad though.  The caption says, ‘The Plymouth Savoy, shown at the Meadow Brook Polo Club, Long Island, New York’.  I suspect the artist took a few liberties in re-creating the building. 

From Update #3:Mystery Foto #33 Solved:Spectacular 1924 Aerial of Meadow Brook Hunt Club & Motor Parkway

Fascinating pictures from ‘29, ‘32 and ‘35.  Fill up with Ethyl !!

From Update #1: Mystery Foto #34 Solved: Floral Park During the 1904 Vanderbilt Cup Race