Vanderbilt Cup Races

Fascinating observations regarding engineering details, Mr. Lynch. Thank you for your comment. Amazing stuff!

From Kleiner's Korner: The Longest Motor Parkway Bridge Was Built with an Eye to the Future

Wonderful pictures, fellas. These views remind us of the fact that history is fleeting and time waits for no one. In a sense these views are reminiscent of exploring the remnants of the ancient remains of the roads of the Roman Empire across Europe. As with all civilizations, none last forever. Thank you so much for sharing your interest in history with us viewers. Sic transit gloria mundi , an old man in Missouri.

From Sammy & Dave’s “Excellent 2019 Vanderbilt Day”- #13 Melville

We are approaching Vanderbilt Day V—end of March / beginning of April is best time to go as now the days are longer and the vegetation is still on the lower side.

I ask everyone: do you have any ideas for exploration locations? The recent pics of the Lakeville Road bridge from Art’s post are very interesting. Not many people chimed in about that, but is seems as though the existing “road” which I certainly thought was original LIMP in fact is not! So we’ll be exploring that zone for clues.

Obviously we intend to thoroughly go through the LIMP looking for any hidden treasures but if anyone has any ideas for locations to explore, please share!

We intend to start in the zone of LIJ Hospital in Lake Success and then proceed west to Maxess Road bridge ending location.

Please share your thoughts!

From Sammy & Dave’s “Excellent 2019 Vanderbilt Day”- #13 Melville

And here are some pics of the south side:

If you look at the last pic you can see there are steps leading down to the tunnel on this side as well.

From Sammy & Dave’s “Excellent 2019 Vanderbilt Day”- #13 Melville

Hey James, yes absolutely! That is a very cool spot indeed. The pics were in previous Vanderbilt Day posts on the site but since you asked….here are some pics of the north side:

From Sammy & Dave’s “Excellent 2019 Vanderbilt Day”- #13 Melville

Fab find but, re the Wheatley Hills Sweepstakes, I don’t think I know of a “Fal”, let alone TWO of ‘em!  Sam, III

From Vanderbilia: A Unique Scorecard for the 1910 Vanderbilt Cup Race

This is over the top! when it comes to ephemeral stuff, this deserves a big congratulations! 
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Howard Kroplick

Sheri, Agree! It was a logical promotion for a company offering automobile insurance.

From Vanderbilia: A Unique Scorecard for the 1910 Vanderbilt Cup Race

Have you two snooped around the Union Turnpike underpass entrances? One is on the grounds of the newer Creedmore Hospital on the north side and the other is on the Southside of Union on the old grounds complex. Interesting spots just a few hundred yards east of the part of the roadway that ends at the eastern tip of Alley Pond Park. My son Gram and I loved that little bit of Motor Parkway history.

From Sammy & Dave’s “Excellent 2019 Vanderbilt Day”- #13 Melville

Wonderful… the photo/maps need to be larger, or via thumbnails. Example: Detail of girders would be useful if much larger or thumb linked.

From Kleiner's Korner: The Longest Motor Parkway Bridge Was Built with an Eye to the Future

I think we’re looking east on Power House Road (Old Westbury Road) in the Roslyn Heights area. The photographer was probably positioned on the LIRR bridge or abutment for the Oyster Bay branch. The car is the #10 Darracq driven by Louis Wagner who would become the eventual winner. Most sources have Louis Vivet as the mechanician but some claim it is actually Victor Demogeot. The race was held on October 6, 1906 so that’s probably the date of the photo although it could have been taken during a practice run a few days earlier.

From Mystery Foto #10 Solved: The Winner of the 1906 Vanderbilt Cup Race in Roslyn

Looking down at Old Westbury Road (now the north service road of the LIE)
The photographer was shooting from the top of the old Oyster Bay railroad bridge.
The race car was the #10 Darracq driven by Louis Wagner along with mechanician (I like that word) Louis Vivet on October 6, 1906.

From Mystery Foto #10 Solved: The Winner of the 1906 Vanderbilt Cup Race in Roslyn

Here’s the photo of Willlie K. shown above in his 35/45 HP racer with a noteworthy caption.  From Automobile Topics of Oct. 31, 1908.

From Update: A Renault Vanderbilt Racer was Sold Today at the Amelia Island Auction

Identify the location of the Mystery Foto and the orientation of the photographer.

-Looking East down Old Westbury Road in Roslyn during the 1906 Vanderbilt Cup Race.

How did the photographer get this elevated shot?

-The photographer was standing on the Oyster Bay LIRR bridge over Old Westbury Road.

Howard; correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t this the exact same spot where the LIE currently goes under the LIRR just East of Willis Ave/Exit 37? Past and current photos in the spot and direction below.

Identify the racer, driver and mechanician.
-Louis Wagner’s #10 Darracq racer, winner of the 1906 Vanderbilt Cup Race, Mechanician: Louis Vivet

What is the date of the Mystery Foto?

October 6, 1906

From Mystery Foto #10 Solved: The Winner of the 1906 Vanderbilt Cup Race in Roslyn

Location is Old Westbury rd (now south service rd of I495 or Powerhouse rd)
Orientation of photographer is facing east
Photographer climbed the LIRR trestle to secure his shot
Driver is Louis Wagner (winner). Mechanician is Louis Vivet
Date is October 6 1906

From Mystery Foto #10 Solved: The Winner of the 1906 Vanderbilt Cup Race in Roslyn

Photographer on top of the LIRR bridge over Westbury Ave,  Today the North Service Road of the LIE.  About a quarter of a mile east of Willis Ave / Mineola Ave.  The race turned north on Mineola Ave after the car traveled under the bridge. 
-joe o

From Mystery Foto #10 Solved: The Winner of the 1906 Vanderbilt Cup Race in Roslyn

Hi all

  I know about that section behind 555 RTE 110, I worked at the USPS and checked it out a few times, that must’ve been about 10 years ago, maybe more, it was amazing how it looked then. Good work, keeping tabs on what’s going on.
Howard, how did you like the the car pics that was sent to you?
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Howard Kroplick

Ted, super! Thanks!

From Sammy & Dave’s “Excellent 2019 Vanderbilt Day”- #13 Melville

Article taken from “Automobile Topics” of October 24, 1908.

From Kleiner's Korner: The Longest Motor Parkway Bridge Was Built with an Eye to the Future

I’ll be interested to see what it fetches, since it once belonged to my father, James Melton.
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Howard Kroplick:

Margo, wonderful to hear from you. I estimate this wonderful Renault Vanderbilt Racer will sell for $2.5-$3.0 million.

From Update: A Renault Vanderbilt Racer was Sold Today at the Amelia Island Auction

The LIRR upgrading to double track must have been foreseen as well, that side having a 68 ft width. I only see 1 support/separator, so Central Ave then was about 30 ft wide?

It would be interesting to locate a ground photo of the Westbury Ave LIMP bridge say after 1920. The 18 ft width on the south side may have been intended for horse & wagon, while the 24 ft section meant for automobiles? Pretty sure the trolley discontinued by 1925? With the total of 3 openings, there was likely traffic problems like at Clinton Rd.

From Kleiner's Korner: The Longest Motor Parkway Bridge Was Built with an Eye to the Future

Was the Central Av/LIRR bridge in Bethpage (Central Park) the longest Motor Parkway bridge built? The Central Av/LIRR bridge diagram below indicates the west side girder’s length to be 106 ft and 0 in. Photo courtesy of VanderbiltCupRaces.com

From Kleiner's Korner: The Longest Motor Parkway Bridge Was Built with an Eye to the Future