Vanderbilt Cup Races

Brian, Frank, The bridge would have been somewhere on the west side of Bagatelle Rd. north of the Babylon Town line, pretty much in the vicinity of where the Parkway crosses over Bagatelle.

From Kleiner's Korner: Part V - Motor Parkway Maps and More

Add -
Vanderbilt Parkway Bridge over NSP
Vanderbilt Mansion - Lake Success
Northern State Pkwy Bridge
UN Headquarters - Parking Area’s

From Mystery Foto #24 Solved: A 1952 Aerial View of Lake Success

So cool -
I got this ... Lake Success - Lakeville Road Areas

From Mystery Foto #24 Solved: A 1952 Aerial View of Lake Success

-Identify the location and orientation of the aerial photographer

Looking North West at mostly Willie K’s Deepdale estate property in Lake Success. Lake towards the top of the photo.

-Identify the major roads

Northern State Pkwy, Lakeville Rd, Marcus Ave

-Which road in the Foto was used for the course(s) of the Vanderbilt Cup Race(s)?

Lakeville Road

-Which building(s) and structure(s) in the Foto are associated with William K. Vanderbilt, Jr. and the Motor Parkway?

Deepdale estate, the NS Pkwy LIMP bridge, Willie K lodge (NYS police barracks)

-Why are automobiles parked in the Mystery Foto?
-What year was the aerial taken? Provide a rationale.

Judging by the newly built street, (just North of the NSP and East of Lakeville) that does not have houses yet, I’ll guess this was 1951. The last year for the United Nations at this location, which is the likely reason for the parked cars.

From Mystery Foto #24 Solved: A 1952 Aerial View of Lake Success

Brian, Frank, I took some liberties when I called it a nursery bridge. In a letter from A.J. Kienzle, the Parkway’s general manager, to Vanderbilt dated June 21, 1927, he refers to it as a farmway bridge.

From Kleiner's Korner: Part V - Motor Parkway Maps and More

#24 appears to be looking west at northern state parkway with the large road being Marcus Ave at lake vile road NS overpass. Lake success in the background and temp headquarters of the United Nations at the sperry corporation. Vanderbuilt house is on that lake along with the motor parkway

From Mystery Foto #24 Solved: A 1952 Aerial View of Lake Success

It is the exit off the Northern State by Lakeville Road.  Lake Success is seen in the NW corner of the photo.  On the left is Marcus Ave, the middle is Northern State Parkway. Running N-S is Lakeville Road with Great Neck to the North. The overpass west of Lakeville Road is for the Vanderbilt Parkway leading to the Vanderbilt estate.  The UN met at the Sperry Plant in those days which is why the cars are parked there.  Probably taken in the 1950s as when the parkway was widened the overpass for the Vanderbilt estate was taken down,

From Mystery Foto #24 Solved: A 1952 Aerial View of Lake Success

Amazing details Al. Would love to locate the nursery bridge. Inspecting all aerial resources currently available… My guess the same, Brian. That’s the most likely location of the bridge!

From Kleiner's Korner: Part V - Motor Parkway Maps and More

Now to see where this nursery bridge spanned over the LIMP and possibly also over Conklin/Bagatelle Rd. Maybe somewhere between Colonial Springs Rd and the intersection of the LIMP & Conklin/Bagatelle Rd?

From Kleiner's Korner: Part V - Motor Parkway Maps and More

No doubt the cyclists played a major role during the race events.

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Interesting!

Thanks,

Ron

From British Movietone News: The 1936 Vanderbilt Cup Race

From Art Kleiner:
From the Peter Helck Family Collection comes this letter from friend Al Nagle indicating purchase of a set of the Locomobile postcards.

From Vanderbilia Postcard Series #1: The Locomobile Postcards of the 1908 Vanderbilt Cup Race

The course was at Roosevelt Field (Raceway), Garden City.

From British Movietone News: The 1936 Vanderbilt Cup Race

How do you account for the loss of HP and torque?  Is the engine worn out, worn out piston rings, etc.?  That would surprise me.

From TheDrive.com: There's No Dyno Run like an Original 1948 Tucker 48 Dyno Run

Where was this course?  Merrick Ave - so I assume in Nassau.  But where was there enough room for a course like this?

From British Movietone News: The 1936 Vanderbilt Cup Race

Your Fairchild Aerial Survey photo of Northern State Parkway under construction from its temporary terminus of Jericho tpk is earlier than 1939, since that strestch of Parkway was opened in Dec1938

From Mystery Foto #97 Solved: Rare Wooden Long Island Motor Parkway Sign (1933-1938)

Art, Regarding the Bagatelle Nursery map. There is more to it than the Nursery being adjacent to the Parkway. In 1927 the Parkway sold two parcels of land totaling around 270 acres to Dr. H. B. Baruch, the owner of Bagatelle Nursery for which he paid $54,000. Some of the acquired acreage was separated by the Parkway. As a condition of the sale Dr. Baruch requested and received permission to build a bridge over the Parkway at his expense. So. besides highway bridges, Parkway bridges, farmway bridges, a farmway underpass, we can also include a nursery bridge.

From Kleiner's Korner: Part V - Motor Parkway Maps and More

From Art Kleiner:
Brian - I found the picture of Crawford on-line in “The Garden City News”(gcnews.com) of July 17, 1995.  The story was written by John Ellis Kordis and was actually an account by Crawford’s boyhood friend, Ned Scott, of how they got to see Charles Lindbergh taking off from Roosevelt Field in 1927.  Here’s the link.  Enjoy!
https://www.gcnews.com/articles/eyewitness-to-history/

From Mystery Foto #23 Solved: 1908 Vanderbilt Cup Race Winner George Robertson

Nice photo of Crawford which looks to be Opening Day of the Garden City Chamber of Commerce, Art. Probably found within a local history book?

From Mystery Foto #23 Solved: 1908 Vanderbilt Cup Race Winner George Robertson

Great stuff Art! This will take time to sort through.

From Kleiner's Korner: Part V - Motor Parkway Maps and More