Vanderbilt Cup Races

Dave,  you’ve probably seen these on my site and/or been there already:
http://www.freewebs.com/limparkway/mineolawestburyave1.htm
http://www.freewebs.com/limparkway/mineolawestburyavenue.htm
http://www.freewebs.com/limparkway/mineolawestburyave2015.htm
http://www.freewebs.com/limparkway/mineolawestburyave2016.htm
http://www.freewebs.com/limparkway/mineolawestburyaveso.htm
http://www.freewebs.com/limparkway/oldcountryroad.htm
http://www.freewebs.com/limparkway/stewartavenuegardencity.htm
http://www.freewebs.com/limparkway/levittownsalisburypkdr.htm
http://www.freewebs.com/limparkway/wyandanch.htm

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NSP.  Looking east over the LIMP bridge built by Robert Moses, and New Hyde Park Rd further behind it.

From Updated: Mystery Foto #14 Solved: The Northern State Parkway Under Construction in 1932

Edith and Dave, etc. - re Dave’s continuance, you folks might have a look at my Half Hollow Hills coverage from 2002 at <http://sbiii.com/limpsuff.html#halfholl> (scroll ‘way down, past the missing images).  Sam, III

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Edith, the location you speak of approaching Colonial Springs Rd is coming up next in our HIKE. Stay tuned!

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Edith Klarmann:

Thank you…

You are absolutely correct - there is now nothing to see.  The property was sold in 1987 and now has the same characteristics as that of the sand pit off Route 110.  For my part, I was responding to the 1947 (or
thereabouts) aerial view and correcting the locations identified.  What I did say was that if there was anything left to see, based upon personal knowledge I thought that would most likely be the area behind the former Haiorston’s property at the beginning of Colonial Springs Rd… even back then in the late forties there was a foot path leading to and from the rear of the house—nothing more, just a small journey from yesteryear, and for which I am appreciative.

What I can also tell you of that time is how isolated we were. Even though we were on Broad Hollow Rd / Route 110; for example, the LILCO poles were all numbered, with the one directly across from the house was No.50 or 51, and for calling for Police, it was the State Troopers or Huntington Town, though the preference was for the Troopers as they were all well turned out, but then this is about the LIMP which I continue to follow in the expectation that information might appear which will be of interest to me.

Edith

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Frank—-so you think Edith’s house was SOUTH of Ruland Road? This is not in line with the previous sketch you made which was just south of the LIMP, north of Ruland Road.

If you are now correct, there is definitely nothing to see here at this time. This exact location SOUTH of Ruland Road is now is a humongous COSTCO parking lot and store. Certainly no remnants.

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Howard, you are a master of making people smile and be happy with your cars! Think of how the memories that were made that day will last forever with the people that experienced the Black Beast. I wish I was recovered enough to have attended.

From Highlights from the Alco Black Beast at the 2018 Garden City Easter Sunday Vintage Car Parade

Edith Klarmann:

Frank,
As described… within little square box, just the other side (North) of the large white rectangular white box, is my farmhouse… that larger white rectangular box being a cultivated farm field.  Further, the South saide of the Woods being the Southern boundary of St Rose.  Now, to complete the search, moving along Ruland Rd should then show the LIMP to iots Left or North side til the LIMP then crosses over Ruland, picking up the LIMP towards the beginning of Colonial Springs Road might havethe odd artifact considerng the remoteness.  In any case, thanks again.

Edith

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Edith Klarmann:

Thanks Frank…
 
Very close… so, let me see if I can bring it all into focus:
 
  1) as to Edith’s Farmhouse: starting with Broad Hollow Rd North—just past that large white block on the East side is that white square, where, just inside is the farmhouse, then on the far side (North) follow that white path to where it then turns North to the clump of buildings.  Then, re-orienting at Ruland Rd, leading off is what appear as a pair of arms terminating at the white block, which is St Rose (the Big House as we called it, our green shingled farmhouse was the Green House).  As to the Schmidt and deLalio farms, the foto does not go far enough East to include them.  However, again to the bottom of the foto, there is that black path of trees (here, we referred to that as the “woods”, everything had a name).  At the far end of the woods was Republic Rd, which was about the boundary of the two farms on the East side of Ruland Rd.  All in all, close enough to say: give the man a cigar.
     
2) And since we have gone back in time to around the mid forties, perhaps someone recalls a Grumman TBF crashing in Wyandanch late in the War.  Actually, as I recall, unless there were two, that TBF crashed into the line of trees bordering the West side of Republic Rd on St Rose property, for, if he was jus a few feet higher, the TBF would have landed in St Rose’ potato patch.  Anyway, thought that I should make note of that before I forget it something else as happens with the passage of time—now being just shy of 81.
Again, thanks all for helping me relive that time, if only in fotos.
 
Edith

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Frank Femenias:

After scanning the Melville area in 1947, I may have found Edith’s farmhouse. Keeping my fingers crossed. See above overlay.

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Maureen- This website may have info on your property. Hope it helps.
http://www.suffolkcountyny.gov/Departments/CountyClerk/OnlineRecords.aspx

Edith- If I read your directions correctly, I may have found your farmhouse and neighbors in 1947. This was the first house north of the Huntington boundary along Brush Hollow Rd. See attached photo and please let me know.

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Edith Klarmann:

Maureen,
Time wise… did not go to school in the area, and didn’t know a Abramowski.  we were quite isolated being at the Southern extreme of Huntington Township—property following ours South on Broad Hollow Rd was in Babylon Town, and except for the Nohiles, deLalios and Hairstons didn’t know any others.
Edith,

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Hello all…is there any thought regarding the Sugar Maple Drive area in Albertson? I am an employee of the Viscardi Center and have often thought about how far that arc actually swung out, i.e. that there may be some remnants near the now track, in the wooded area.

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Frank: again your attention to detail and map skills are awesome.

Sam III: We have to meet one day. I have a good sense of you I think!! Obviously we are not south of RTE 110. You know what I meant! I recall looking at your site and you showed the LIMP east of Spagnoli Road crossing over RTE 110 - there are LIPA lines there and a path and it appears to be the LIMP but it’s not. The ROW is north of this location, behind 555 RTE 110 really to the north side of the parking lot even. Don’t worry, with the tools you had at the time you did fantastic/amazing. A true leader in this quest. I thought it was correct too until I saw Wayne’s map and decided to check this northern spot out. LILCO threw us off on this one.

Maureen/Edith: Great discussion. Glad this great site enabled you to re-discover and reminisce! Check out Wayne’s online map of this zone, and Frank’s post as well above but Wayne’s map will give you greater detail with the surrounding area. As you walk through the northern part of the 555 RTE 110 parking lot heading east you quickly find the LIMP ROW. There is no doubt this is it. Posts are still in place and pavement fragments are everywhere. The first large pic that Howard posted above is not very far in and it is on the northern side of the ROW, exactly in the location you are discussing. This large pile of debris is also elevated as you can see. Maybe this is something? I just sent Howard another pic a bit further east then this first location with similar characteristics. You can see the USPS facility in the background so you know you are on the northern edge of the ROW. I definitely recall seeing large piles just south of the ROW as well but I have to investigate further. Will keep you posted if we find anything new/better!

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Edith Klarmann:

Names are not familiar.  however, let’s re-orient, that is—starting with the junction of Ruland Rd and Broad Hollow, going East on Ruland, the first structure (right side) would have been St Rose Indusrial Home for Girls, then next road, again to right would be Republic Road with the Nohile farm on the corner, all along Ruland would be the LIMP paralleling Ruland till where the LIMP then crossed over Ruland, and from here maps will show LIMP continuing to then parallel Colonial Road for a short distance, and that is it for me.  That said, what might there be of fotos in this area, and were if not for me bum leg and walker I could better identify landmarks, though, for now, this should help. As to the St Rose property, it continued along Ruland to Republic Rd, the east side of which was Schmidt and deLalio farms; originally, St Rose property continued to just short of deLalio farm where it then turned West to Broad Hollow Rd and along to Ruland to complete their boundary.  Incidentally, we lived in the green shingled farm house east side, first house in Huntington Township, it was a big old farm house with a wrap-round screen porch; West side of Broad Hollow was the Long Island Aggie School.  Hoped this was helpful.
Edith

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Edith,
I have come up with another name from my childhood in and around the Huntington Lodge area.  That name is Stephen Abramowski.  He was in my class at the Sweet Hollow elementary school in 1951.  I did sent a pic of the class to Howard. I am in the front row center with the bowl hair cut.  Did you attend this school by any chance?  Sorry to keep putting out this information in small drips but digging into the gray matter of the brain from sixty plus years is a slow process.  One cell at a time must be examined.
Maureen

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The location of the photo is at the old LIRR Bethpage Station.  The photo is at the east end of the station at the Broadway crossing looking east towards the LIMP bridge.
The 1908 Vanderbilt cup race course went over this bridge.
The year of the photo I would say would be the late 1930’s to early 1940’s in reference to the auto parked on Broadway.

From Mystery Foto #13 Solved: A 1944 View of the Central Avenue/LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge in Bethpage

I believe this is the Oyster Bay LIRR branch looking north from the Hillside Avenue crossing at the East Williston station,the LIMP overpass up ahead. Not sure of the year but I bet Hillebrandt’s was already open for business three blocks to the west.

From Mystery Foto #13 Solved: A 1944 View of the Central Avenue/LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge in Bethpage

Hello,
I have been on google maps today looking at the area around 555 Broadhollow Road and Spagnoli Rd.  I feel, if one drove right across 110 eastbound, you would be right on LIMP. I took a good look at the old tree growth and when I look back at my picture of the Cub tractor, to the back of the property looks very similar. Take a look and see what you think (40.762 - 73.423)  I also noticed the ground to the left of the tree growth by 110 slopes up.  This could be what remains of the area to the old overpass.
Regarding the old foundation, I could have been off and would say not less than 1/8 to not more than 1/4 mile to the left of the parkway from the center of the old 110.  When I look at the posted pic, there is now the utility line with a grass cutback.  The foundation would be just to the north of the cutback where the tree line begins.  I would assume LILCO would have graded all that in.
Can anyone tell me how I can go online and get property info regarding the purchase and/or sale (1953) of my parent’s property or a tax map?  This would really put an X on the spot and give measurements.
Boy, this stuff can be fun but addicting. 😊
Maureen

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Sam III-  North of Spagnoli Rd, 576 Broad Hollow Rd’s southwest corner is correct, where the curvy LIMP descended from the bridge.

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