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Edith Klarmann:

Thanks again…

Old Broad Hollow Rd… the widening and straightening—straightening, in particular, took the route of the Trolley Line right of way, with the Trolley passing in front of our house (though several years before my time) continuing all the way to Conklin Street (corner of former Republic Aviation), then West to Farmingdale, with a jog to the LIRR station, then to Main and South on Main till it again joined Broad Hollow Rd before Amityville.

Edith

From Updated: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Hike” VI: Broad Hollow Road

See all at Williston Show April 29Thank you from Williston Park Historical Committee

From Howard Kroplick Events and Automobile Shows (Updated: October 19, 2018)

Frank - thank you for the info and it always seemed like the homes were built on the former roadway. The items that made me second guess it were the maps from the county that outlined the proposals for Motor Parkway Trail Program (arc swung out further) and locals that have mentioned seeing items in the backyards of Piper Lane.

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Mystery Foto Mystery… Solved!

I can explain how geometry and dogged Googling can explain the reported confusion… stay with me!

While the Brooklyn Eagle photo captions says “the view is eastward toward the Shearman estate”, it doesn’t actually assert the estate can be seen in the cropped image; my conclusion then is the light-colored buildings in the upper right must be the old Minton estate ‘Brookwood’ property (since 1977 the site of the Gates at North Hills condo, bounded on the west by NHP Road, the north by the NSP, on east by Old Courthouse Road and on the south by the LIMP).

Maps and photos dating from 1932 through 1966 show Brookwood as having two white-walled buildings set at a right angle to each other, which can be confirmed if you zoom in massively on the Eagle photo. In contrast, the Shearman compound is more in-line and dark hued.

Today, the Gates entrance way is just steps south of the Exit 26 e.b. on-ramp, while the Buckley property is 7/10ths of a mile farther to the east, and therefore does not actually appear in the photo.

My apologies for overlooking the above when viewing Mr. Berliner’s maps; below are the site links that provided the information supporting my new understanding.

Thanks, Jim

The Mystery photo source: bklyn.newspapers.com/image/59998015/?terms=Shearman+estate
Minton estate: halfpuddinghalfsauce.blogspot.com/search?q=brookwood
Minton estate: oldlongisland.com/2011/06/brookwood.html
Shearman estate: halfpuddinghalfsauce.blogspot.com/2013/02/north-hills-estate-of-lawrence-hobart.html
Gates at North Hills entrance: google.com/maps/@40.7641196,-73.6898016,3a,75y,28.48h,84.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWyXQESyM0cxZMI5LydlJDA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Overhead view of both properties: wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=40.765640&lon=-73.685110&z=16&m=b&show;=/4310801/Long-Island-Motor-Parkway-Bridge
Topographic map predating demolition of Brookwood: ngmdb.usgs.gov/img4/ht_icons/Browse/NY/NY_Sea Cliff_136118_1968_24000.jpg
Lastly, for the very patient, the Nassau County land viewer application: lrv.nassaucountyny.gov/map/ (provides current and historical maps and aerial photos plus a distance-finding tool)

From Updated: Mystery Foto #14 Solved: The Northern State Parkway Under Construction in 1932

Found my “missing” Maxess pix from 2004/5 - midway down on the Open Items page <http://sbiii.com/limpopen.html> (also so noted on Mystery Foto #11 post of 19 Mar 2018).  Sam, III

From Updated: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Hike” VI: Broad Hollow Road

Found my “missing” Maxess pix from 2004/5 - midway down on the Open Items page <http://sbiii.com/limpopen.html>.  Sam, III

From Mystery Foto #11 Solved: Sammy on the Ezekiel Smith Farmway Bridge in Melville

Femenias’ Findings added to last week’s Mystery Foto.

From Updated: Mystery Foto #14 Solved: The Northern State Parkway Under Construction in 1932

TA, RA!  My page 8 is now restored, covering the Mineola-Carle Place segment; including 284 Rudolph Road, the MIneola Lodge, in 2000, as is my Central Nassau continuation Page 1, covering Russell and Old Country Roads in 2004.  WHEW!  (Some of the thumbnails are still awful but the pix behind them are good and I’m not up to redoing the t/ns yet).  On to Hike VII! 

http://sbiii.com/limpkwy8.html

http://sbiii.com/limpcns1.html

Sam, II

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My partners & I have a bar in San Francisco that is Named ‘Capt. EDDIE RICKENBACKERS A.E.F.’
We have been collecting his memorabilia over the years & are looking for any prints or footage that may be put on display.
I thoroughly enjoyed scrolling through the 1915 exposition footage.
We also have a restaurant named Chief Sullivan’s after the Fire Chief Dennis Sullivan who perished in the great disaster of 1906.
I’m proud to honor the memories of heroes from our past & will do all I can to preserve & protect their legacy.
Karl Vincent
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Howard Kroplick

Karl, please let me know which “Ace of Aces” images that you like and I will send you copies. My email is .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) .

From Newsreel "1915 Vanderbilt Cup Race"

Dan- I have the top of the Searingtown arch (bridge) at 60’ away from IU Willets center to center. A closer look here of the bridge.

http://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/blog/article/long_island_motor_parkway_bridge_series19_i.u._willets_road_motor_parkway_b

Haven’t yet explored the RoW dirt path section but it looks promising. I believe the parkway on the Sugar Maple side rests on the house’s foundations and not in their backyards. Definitely worth a closer look there as well. 

From Updated: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Hike” VI: Broad Hollow Road

Adding to the mystery, the photo was taken in July with dense foliage, where one can’t see the Motor Pkwy east (or west) of New Hyde Park Rd heading towards the Old Courthouse Rd bridge, except the area that was cleared for 3003 NHP Rd construction.

From Updated: Mystery Foto #14 Solved: The Northern State Parkway Under Construction in 1932

Tricky mystery. Attached is my two cents. Awesome photo Art, keep ‘em coming

From Updated: Mystery Foto #14 Solved: The Northern State Parkway Under Construction in 1932

Edith- a few interesting facts;

Old Broad Hollow Rd would eventually be expanded eastward by the Motor Pkwy toll house, but expanded westward by your home just to the south. The likely reason for this was to soften Old Broad Hollow road’s sharp curve allowing the roadway today to be more streamlined.

LILCO pole #50 or 51 still exists directly in front of your home today. It was untouched with the roadway expansion to the west. As of Aug 2017, there is a double pole at the location (a newer to replace the older). I’m planning to take a closer look soon before the older is removed.

The Nohile house/barn did have an irregular shape from overhead (not rectangular or square) as seen here. It’s former location remains a vacant lot on the SE corner of Ruland and Republic. Another site to investigate. Brian, are you in? 
http://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/images/blog/East_of_Edith_1_labeled.JPG

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Edith Klarmann

Thanks again Frank,

As to the Farmhouse and property… per last foto the property (Edith’s) extends down along Broad Hollow Rad to the Town Line so that if you drew a line along the Southern edge of St Rose property (the Woods) to Broad Hollow Rd you would have the Southern edge of our property.

As to the Nohile property… as I recall, their farmhouse was a combination farmhouse barn, all as one piece, sometimes seen from the olde days.

Edith

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Added a new Femenias’ Findings overlay of Edith’s farmhouse.

From Updated: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Hike” VI: Broad Hollow Road

Ouch!  My page 8 is unrestored and covers the Mineola-Carle Place segment; including 284 Rudolph Road, the MIneola Lodge, in 2000; the page is in very bad shape and requires a lot of work,  Ditto my Central Nassau continuation Page 1, covering Russell and Old Country Roads in 2004 - I’d better get busy!  Sam, III

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Hi Howard, the Bethpage library has the program on 4/12 starting at 6 PM, here it says 7PM, which is it? We’re planning to go and need the correct time. Sounds like a really interesting evening. Thanks, George
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Howard Kroplick

George, the program begins at 7:00 pm.

From Hold the Date: Thursday, April 12, 2018 Presentation: The Grand Homes of the Gold Coast, Bethpage

My family has a big silver cup from one of the Glidden tours.We also have many original pictures of her and her cars.She was my father’s grandma.I actually sold a letter written to her by a opera singer named Enrico Caruso I believe?  Sounded like they had something going on the side?

From The continuing story of Joan Newton Cuneo: "Those daring young (wo)men in their racing machines"

I would say the 2nd close up picture is misleading.  That is not, and cannot be the Buckley School.  The Buckley school is on the northern side of IU Willets Road.  And in the picture, IU Willets Road is up at the top left hand corner of the picture, not even showing where the new NSP dissected it.  Please take a look and let me know what you think???

-joe o.

From Updated: Mystery Foto #14 Solved: The Northern State Parkway Under Construction in 1932

Thank YOU Edith for locating your home! After sketching an overlay, I was hoping for any remnants still existing of your farm. Only the cultivated field survived (please see attachments). It seems to now be used for storing heavy equipment of some sort. Everything else has been covered with pavement. Your home now sits by the southern entrance to the Costco parking lot. As you said, there’s nothing left to see. But the Nohiles farmhouse location, once at the southeast corner of Ruland and Republic remains a vacant lot. There may be undisturbed remnants still there. Something to look for next time I’m in the area. Thanks again Edith.

Frank      

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