Vanderbilt Cup Races

Famous Krug’s Corner! But an unfamiliar, later 1920s streamline design. We’re looking NE with cars parked on Jericho Tpke. The right corner is Willis Av. The parked cars could give a closer photo date but all seem older than 1920s (the correct answer will be interesting). The building on top right still stands today (136 Jericho Tpke), complete with window shutters here! This building today was likely moved several feet east on Jericho to make room for eventual expansion of Willis Av, as once noted by Al Velocci. For me it was 136 Jericho that first gave this mystery away. Howard, sending multiple views of this well photographed corner.

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Krug's Hotel in Mineola Circa 1912 Revised 7/26/2016

Brian- Try going in with this link http://alex.sinc.stonybrook.edu/1938ind.html
I tried again and seems fine on this end.

From The 1938 U.S. Department of Agriculture Aerial Suvey of Nassau County #2: Garden City to East Meadow

That appears to be the Krug’s Corner Hotel, looking north and east.  Since it has the mansard roof installed it’s definitely after the 1910 Vanderbilt race.  I will guess the early 20’s as I see the highest NY plate is in the 30,000 range.  Other photos from the 20’s seem to show awnings on the upper windows which may have eventually been necessary for comfort of the guests.  There also appears to be a massive amount of electric lines on the one pole, which shows progress.  So perhaps 1923. 

As for the cars…...I have enough trouble figuring them out looking at the front of them so I will leave that to others.

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Krug's Hotel in Mineola Circa 1912 Revised 7/26/2016

Identify the building. When was it on the course for the Vanderbilt Cup Races?
Krug Corner Hotel; 1904, 1905, 1906
What is the orientation of the photo?  Looking east along Jericho Turnpike
What is the approximate year of the photo? Provide a rationale. 1910-1913 License plate format (12345, no dashes) and white on dark background might be the clue. 
Identify one or more of the automobiles in the photo; will leave that to the experts

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Krug's Hotel in Mineola Circa 1912 Revised 7/26/2016

Initially, I was able to search freely on the Stony Brook website. Unless I’m missing something, whatever aerial maps I want to view are not coming up. Maybe Stony Brook is restricting access because of all our searching? I did print out a 1938 aerial of my childhood home and surrounding area in Brentwood. When I lived there it was a 1/2 acre. It looked to be a full acre in 1938, and farmlike. I hope the map coordinates I emailed covering the LIMP in Suffolk County circa 1938 will be helpful to you, Howard.

From The 1938 U.S. Department of Agriculture Aerial Suvey of Nassau County #2: Garden City to East Meadow

Sam——you are a LIMP master but I looked at your pic but that is not the location of the LIMP! That is where I originally thought it was as well. It makes sense and the power lines are there and it’s blocked off but that’s not it! - it is a bit more north behind 555 Broadhollow.

From Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Adventure” XII: Final Destination Melville

That’s the famous Krug’s Hotel located on the northwest corner of Willis Avenue and Jericho Tpke in Mineola whose occupants had a front row seat for the 1904, 1905, and 1906 Vanderbilt Cup Races. The photographer’s camera was pointed northeast with the cars facing east on Jericho Tpke. Based on the design of the license plates on the cars, the photo was taken in 1910, 1911, or 1912. If the photo was in color, we would know for sure based on the background color of the plate. Since 1910 had a dark blue color, I’ll guess that year. I’ll leave the identification of the cars to the real experts because I have no clue.

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Krug's Hotel in Mineola Circa 1912 Revised 7/26/2016

-Identify the building. When was it on the course for the Vanderbilt Cup Races?
Krug’s hotel. Jericho Turnpike. On the 1904/5/6 cup race courses

-What is the orientation of the photo?
The cars in the photo on Jericho Tpke are heading in the East direction. The building at 136 Jericho Tpke (that still stands) can be seen along the right edge of the photo.

-What is the approximate year of the photo? Provide a rationale.
Judging by the 3rd floor addition to Krugs and the license plates, I’ll guess 1910.

-Identify one or more of the automobiles in the photo
Didn’t come up with much on this one but also didn’t have the time to look ‘em up…we’ll have to leave it to Ariejan Bos to make some positive vehicular identifications!

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Krug's Hotel in Mineola Circa 1912 Revised 7/26/2016

Krug’s Hotel at Jericho and Willis Avenue northwest corner.
1910 looking east.

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Krug's Hotel in Mineola Circa 1912 Revised 7/26/2016

Oops - I KNEW I had a pic of the RoW on the west side of 110!  It’s on an image-rich but unrestored page 7 <http://sbiii.com/limpkwy7.html> on my site (I’ll restore it right now) and the pic is available at <http://sbiii.com/b-uattwn/meiii3/pix/limp5-19.jpg>.  Watch out, though; there are several 555s on 110 - the one you mean is 555 Broad Hollow Road - 8½ miles south, the south side of the U. S. Postal facility.  Sam, III

From Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Adventure” XII: Final Destination Melville

Way to go, Sam (and Dad)!  Thanks again.  Minor typo, though - “Deep Park Avenue in Dix Hills.”  I’ve been deep in the park exploring the LIMP but not at Deer Park Road/Avenue.  Sam, III

From Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Adventure” XII: Final Destination Melville

Brings back wonderful memories of a similar journey with my son Gram!

From Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Adventure” XII: Final Destination Melville

Thank you for sharing this wonderful adventure with us!

From Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Adventure” XII: Final Destination Melville

The historical marker refers to the bridge embankments being the last remains still standing in Suffolk, not that it was the last bridge in Suffolk. I guess it could have been worded better.

Great post about a great adventure. Thanks for sharing.

From Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Adventure” XII: Final Destination Melville

The Moon was in one of the garages behind the main building of the museum..along with a Biddle, the Model T Ford fire engine and several other cars when my son and I were visiting the museum….approximately 1969-70… The Moon was always grey….never red.  This day was somewhat notable…as HAC discovered someone had stolen the radiator cap from the Moon.  We often visited the museum, and on one occasion, Mr. Clark drove us in the Fiat “Jolly” to John Duck’s Restaurant for lunch which he generously paid for….I am left with a very favorable memory of this man…I had several business dealings with him and he was a tremendous help to me in my research of Mr. Finley Robertson Porter…very generously providing me with photos and a lot of information….truly one of this hobby’s early pioneers…

From The 1912 Moon Raceabout Owned by Henry Austin Clark Jr is heading to Pebble Beach (Updated: 7/19/16)

The sign says Krug’s Corner, so it is Krug’s Hotel, on the corner of Willis Ave and Jericho Turnpike.  Part of the 1905 and 1906 course.  I have to admit.  From this angle, looking NE, I have not seen this building before.  It is a beautiful picture, and a great find.  I do not have a basis to even guess the year.

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Krug's Hotel in Mineola Circa 1912 Revised 7/26/2016

Just wanted to take a quick look at the mystery,before I go to bed,from what I see real quick,the pictures look like it’s early 1900,those are pretty old cars,early 20s maybe even older than that. That’s about all you’ll get from me on this. Good nite

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Krug's Hotel in Mineola Circa 1912 Revised 7/26/2016

I’ve never seen any information or pictures on any site related to this location behind 555 Broadhollow. This is a very good location and it’s very easily accessed too - just park behind the building and walk back. I was surprised to see so much road and posts.

Our first trip on the LIMP was really awesome. Death bed moments….things you remember till the end.

Frank you are probably very close in your ratio estimate. But the joy comes in getting that 65 percent number higher. Maybe next year we’ll get to 68 - find new location like this one behind 110. Every inch counts!

We did our second annual LIMP day back in April and there are some pretty good finds to come. Thank you Howard for all you do on this site to keep the fire burning!

From Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Adventure” XII: Final Destination Melville

Incredible 1-day, 38mi journey through some of Nassau/Suffolk’s roughest terrain, then ending at the monumental bridge to top it off. Unforgettable, everlasting memories to last for some time. It seems most of the path can be done by MTB, and I’m guessing nearby roadways had to be used for some stretches to connect it all. I’m estimating a 65 ROW/35 Alternate ratio, but please let us know. Nice job guys!

From Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Adventure” XII: Final Destination Melville

LOL, Dave. You’ll always come across old insulators, etc on the ROWS. I always liked that area. The wood pole transmission line heading east from the R/O the substation follows the LIMP towards and past Maxess Rd until the parkway makes the curve south towards Ruland Rd.

From Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Adventure” XII: Final Destination Melville