Vanderbilt Cup Races

I have a sense of deja vu this morning, since I know I’ve done this before, but I am interested in making contact with Hugh Nutting. I knew Hugh as kid and near neighbor in Midland, MI, and later, when we had both returned for a time to Midland in the 60s. Our shared interest in cars took different paths, but keeps crossing. If it is possible to give me contact information for Hugh, I would be very grateful.

From The New Features of VanderbiltCupRaces.com

From Art Kleiner
Lake Success, looking northwest
Northern State Parkway, Marcus Avenue, Lakeville Road
Willie K’s Deepdale estate and garage, and the Marcus Avenue Motor Parkway Bridge
Parking for the Sperry Corporation building across the street
Picture taken in 1952 - the entrance/exit ramps to the Northern State were not there in a 1950, picture, the extra Sperry parking appeared in 1951, and the homes north of The Northern State and east of Lakeville Road were built in 1953.  The attached photo from Dec. 1951 doesn’t even show the beginnings of the roads in the development but the mystery photo does, but no homes. 

From Mystery Foto #24 Solved: A 1952 Aerial View of Lake Success

Looking Northwest at Lake Success. Main roads are Lakeville Rd, upper right to left, bisecting Northern State parkway and Marcus Avenue underneath. I believe you can see the Robert Moses Motor Parkway Bridge over Northern state pkwy, and I imagine, the LIMP was used for the race.Vanderbilt structures include the bridge/motor parkway, Deepdale estate, near the lake.
I believe the cars are parked outside of the Sperry Gyroscope plant.
Date of photo, after 1941 when Sperry plant was built, but likely prior to 1953, as there are no houses on Tanners road in the picture.

From Mystery Foto #24 Solved: A 1952 Aerial View of Lake Success

This is definitely Northern state pkwy and Marcus Ave in Lake Success.The parked cars are for the United Nations.The entrance off Marcus and circular drive are for the UN.The road running left to right in center of photo is Lakeville Rd.Orientation is looking North-North west. The estate hiding in the woods is Vanderbilt’s “Deepdale”.The body of water is Lake Success and beyond that is the Deepdale golf course.The UN was there from 1946-1952.The new roads off Marcus and North of the parkway are Tanners road and Olive street.

From Mystery Foto #24 Solved: A 1952 Aerial View of Lake Success

From Art Kleiner:
Looks like the special officers and flagmen had to wait a while until they got paid by Nassau County for their 2 days work during the 1908 races . . . “The Motor World”, January, 1909

From A Keystone View of the 1908 Vanderbilt Cup Race

Why all the vibration in the video?
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Howard Kroplick

Camera is mounted near the engine. A stabilizer is on order.

From Video: Take a Ride in the Alco Black Beast for the 2020 Nassau County Memorial Day Parade

1) orientation of photographer is facing west
2) Lakeville Rd, Marcus ave, Northern State Pkwy
3) Lakeville Rd 1905 cup race
4) Deepdale Mansion, Northern state pkwy Motor pkwy bridge, remnants of the LIMP on the far right of photo. Just out of the right side frame was the LIMP toll house
5) Overflow parking for Sperry and the United Nations headquarters
6) 1951or 1952. The new housing development on the right side of the photo was built in 1953. This was from research of home listings for sale on Olive st and Tanners rd which lists the year the homes were built. The streets have been made so homes were soon to follow. A 1950 aerial photo shows no roads in the housing development

From Mystery Foto #24 Solved: A 1952 Aerial View of Lake Success

The photographer is looking northwest over the village of Lake Success. That’s Marcus Avenue on the left. In the middle is the entrance/exit ramp from Marcus Avenue to the Northern State Parkway. The parkway is to the right of the ramp, and Lakeville Road can be seen above the parkway.

I see that Lakeville Road was part of the course of the 1906 VCR. Is that Willie K.‘s Deepdale mansion barely visible between Lakeville Road and the lake?

Sperry Gyro had a building near this area for many years. My brother worked there for a long time. The building was temporarily the home of the United Nations from 1946 to 1951. I would say that the picture was taken around 1955, judging by the cars. I have no idea why the cars were parked there. Overflow from the Sperry parking lot?

From Mystery Foto #24 Solved: A 1952 Aerial View of Lake Success

Looks like an aerial of the exit and entrance ramp of the Northern State pleat at Marcus Ave. 
you can see the VMP as it crosses Lakeville Rd..
looks like Vanderbilt Lake Success home is visible as well as his golf course.
Year looks to be mid-1940’s
Cars parked in side of road were overflow parking for sperry’s, United Nations or League of Nations building . Mid forties.

From Mystery Foto #24 Solved: A 1952 Aerial View of Lake Success

Brian, Frank, The bridge would have been somewhere on the west side of Bagatelle Rd. north of the Babylon Town line, pretty much in the vicinity of where the Parkway crosses over Bagatelle.

From Kleiner's Korner: Part V - Motor Parkway Maps and More

Add -
Vanderbilt Parkway Bridge over NSP
Vanderbilt Mansion - Lake Success
Northern State Pkwy Bridge
UN Headquarters - Parking Area’s

From Mystery Foto #24 Solved: A 1952 Aerial View of Lake Success

So cool -
I got this ... Lake Success - Lakeville Road Areas

From Mystery Foto #24 Solved: A 1952 Aerial View of Lake Success

-Identify the location and orientation of the aerial photographer

Looking North West at mostly Willie K’s Deepdale estate property in Lake Success. Lake towards the top of the photo.

-Identify the major roads

Northern State Pkwy, Lakeville Rd, Marcus Ave

-Which road in the Foto was used for the course(s) of the Vanderbilt Cup Race(s)?

Lakeville Road

-Which building(s) and structure(s) in the Foto are associated with William K. Vanderbilt, Jr. and the Motor Parkway?

Deepdale estate, the NS Pkwy LIMP bridge, Willie K lodge (NYS police barracks)

-Why are automobiles parked in the Mystery Foto?
-What year was the aerial taken? Provide a rationale.

Judging by the newly built street, (just North of the NSP and East of Lakeville) that does not have houses yet, I’ll guess this was 1951. The last year for the United Nations at this location, which is the likely reason for the parked cars.

From Mystery Foto #24 Solved: A 1952 Aerial View of Lake Success

Brian, Frank, I took some liberties when I called it a nursery bridge. In a letter from A.J. Kienzle, the Parkway’s general manager, to Vanderbilt dated June 21, 1927, he refers to it as a farmway bridge.

From Kleiner's Korner: Part V - Motor Parkway Maps and More

#24 appears to be looking west at northern state parkway with the large road being Marcus Ave at lake vile road NS overpass. Lake success in the background and temp headquarters of the United Nations at the sperry corporation. Vanderbuilt house is on that lake along with the motor parkway

From Mystery Foto #24 Solved: A 1952 Aerial View of Lake Success

It is the exit off the Northern State by Lakeville Road.  Lake Success is seen in the NW corner of the photo.  On the left is Marcus Ave, the middle is Northern State Parkway. Running N-S is Lakeville Road with Great Neck to the North. The overpass west of Lakeville Road is for the Vanderbilt Parkway leading to the Vanderbilt estate.  The UN met at the Sperry Plant in those days which is why the cars are parked there.  Probably taken in the 1950s as when the parkway was widened the overpass for the Vanderbilt estate was taken down,

From Mystery Foto #24 Solved: A 1952 Aerial View of Lake Success

Amazing details Al. Would love to locate the nursery bridge. Inspecting all aerial resources currently available… My guess the same, Brian. That’s the most likely location of the bridge!

From Kleiner's Korner: Part V - Motor Parkway Maps and More

Now to see where this nursery bridge spanned over the LIMP and possibly also over Conklin/Bagatelle Rd. Maybe somewhere between Colonial Springs Rd and the intersection of the LIMP & Conklin/Bagatelle Rd?

From Kleiner's Korner: Part V - Motor Parkway Maps and More

No doubt the cyclists played a major role during the race events.

From Kleiner's Korner: UPDATE: Part 1 - Motorcycles Used during the Vanderbilt Cup Races and on The Motor Parkway

Interesting!

Thanks,

Ron

From British Movietone News: The 1936 Vanderbilt Cup Race