Vanderbilt Cup Races

Frank - You may be remembering bridge abutments that were within BSP up until the late 1980’s. Just north of this area is Schoolhouse Rd & JoAnne Dr. Below is a photo of a blog here on the site. Exploring couple that took this photo were looking south, with their car parked on the LIMP itself. Was considered a Farmway Bridge, since the LIMP went through the farm property.

From Long Island Motor Parkway Bridge Series #52: The Old Bethpage Motor Parkway Bridge

the 1907 Locomobile Express truck I bought from Austin it was a service vehicle converted when about 10 to 15 years old by the Ardmore Garage of Ardmore, Pa. the express body was made by the Derham Body CO. of Philadelphia , Pa.
I made new fenders for the truck from scratch to the style of what was on it as a passenger car , got all the proper brass lamps and restored them , had the radiator shell remade as it had a dent in the top center, and made a new dashboard as well.
At the Classic Car Club of America tour at the museum the 2nd and 3rd cars in are Austin’s - a 1929 Lincoln dual cowl phaeton body by Locke and a 1939 Packard with body by Brunn of Buffalo, NY ( the Packard saw long storage in the barn at AUstin’s house on South Main Street in Southampton and was not driven much).

From Greg O's Garage: Rare photos from collection of Henry Austin Clark Jr. Part 1

In case You don’t know already: Motor Trend magazine, July 1962, had an article about the Falcon Challengers

From Restoration Update #1: The 1962 Holman-Moody Challenger III

Tina Zebrowski appears to have been a Southampton High School student, born about 1938.  She was involved in sports, played a musical instrument (tenor sax), and artistic, having entered a number of poster contests sponsored by the Parrish Art Museum in the 1950’s.

From Greg O's Garage: Rare photos from collection of Henry Austin Clark Jr. Part 1

I remember comedian Steven Wright saying he had a map that was actual size.  It took him an entire summer to fold it.  Lol.

From Kleiner's Korner: The Queensboro Bridge Connection to the Motor Parkway (Part 1)

Great interesting research guys, I’m recently retired and I mountain bike In Bethpage Park and have thought about trying to find the existing overpass, I’m not sure best place to gain access to it, I tried to click on the maps link but it wouldn’t open, I think I’ll be able to find it even without that somehow. Thanks for all the info you’ve posted on your site including the old surveys. I vaguely remember seeing an overpass inside the park when i was a kid picnicking with my family in probably the late 1960s, but I think that one was demolished.

From Long Island Motor Parkway Bridge Series #52: The Old Bethpage Motor Parkway Bridge

The map is/was like 3/4 of a mile in length, that’s amazing.

From Kleiner's Korner: The Queensboro Bridge Connection to the Motor Parkway (Part 1)

Howard… you forgot ??? The last time the map was on display it was hanging from the south side of the old Roslyn Viaduct Bridge. It was taken down when construction of the new Viaduct began. It was lowered onto a barge and towed out to the Vanderbilt Museum in Centreport. There it was placed on the roof of the seaplane hanger. Weather permitting, it is scheduled around April 1st, to be hung on the new Viaduct Bridge.

From Kleiner's Korner: The Queensboro Bridge Connection to the Motor Parkway (Part 1)

From Greg O.

Great post Art! I too would love to see that map! I’ve checked the basement, with no luck! I’ll have to check the survey boxes at the waterfront. Ha!
Its a shame there aren’t any 1909 photos of the map on the bridge.

From Kleiner's Korner: The Queensboro Bridge Connection to the Motor Parkway (Part 1)

Eastbound on the LIRR and local North Shore roadways, before you reached the new FRP factory, there would shortly be more competition on the Port Jeff RR line. By May 1911, at Head of the River, Smithtown by the LIRR trestle across from where the Bull is today, the township’s first auto dealership was in business, selling the Hudson 33 after A.R. Pardington moved his family to a home (demolished) almost across from it in 1909-1910. He was followed by his colleague Fred Wagner who also bought land at Head of the River near the tracks at that time, before building (1912) his own home (National Register) in Smithtown on Auto Avenue (now Edgewater Ave). The old Hudson dealership has been purchased by the Town Board, which plans to demolish it. For the Hudson 33 see https://www.facebook.com/TheJBSCollection/videos/888040819054816 For my article in the Smithtown News, linking the building to Pardington and Wagner, see https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=700009381503955&set=pcb.700011258170434 For Fred’s home, see the Vanderbilt Cup Races at https://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/blog/article/the_residence_of_the_starter_of_five_vanderbilt_cup_races_rediscovered_in_s

From Greg O's Garage; The F.R.P. automobile built in Port Jefferson

I can’t wait to see #1044 on MOTOR WEEK, which I never miss, anyway.  Great she is recognized as the most accurate example of the TUCKER.

From Video: The highest quality and most accurate Tucker 48 of them all-Tucker 1044

I cant wait to see #1044 on MOTOR WEEK,

From Video: The highest quality and most accurate Tucker 48 of them all-Tucker 1044

the Porter-Knight info

From Greg O's Garage; The F.R.P. automobile built in Port Jefferson

I missed this one so late to the party. I tried to track down a FRP “bitsa” a few years ago and some info and the Porter- Knights at Indy and Maywood. It was for the Auto Racing on Long Island Photo show a few years ago at the Port Jefferson Village Center. I believe I also used them on the Port Jefferson Hillclimb Facebook site ( shameless promotion)

From Greg O's Garage; The F.R.P. automobile built in Port Jefferson

I think that might be the DeDietrich driven by Arthur Duray with Frankville as the mechanician in the 1905 Vanderbilt Cup Race. They finished 9th. in that race. Based on the shadows of the trees, it looks like the car is heading west with the photographer facing northeast. The location could be along North Hempstead Turnpike between Glen Cove Road and the East Norwich turn at Oyster Bay Road.

From Mystery Friday Foto # 9 Solved: The #2 De Dietrich driven by Arthur Duray in the 1905 Vanderbilt Cup Race

Thank you for posting this excellent history. In my capacity as Director Emeritus of the Seal Cove Auto Museum and admitting that the F.R.P. is my favorite car in the Museum’s collection, let me add some more background.

In October 1975, the F.R.P. was sold to Tom Dawson, Purchasing Agent for Bill Harrah. The car is featured in “Harrah’s Automobile Collection, One man’s tribute to the great automobiles of the World” by Dean Batchelor. The book states: “The car at the top of Harrah’s want-list… was the F.R.P.” The book describes Dawson’s acquisition of the F.R.P. for Harrah in detail. Later, an issue called “Harrahscope,” ran a full-page feature about the car… “Harrah’s Finds’ Most Wanted’ Auto; Elusive F.R.P. Touring.”

The F.R.P. is also featured in Automobile Quarterly, Volume 31, No. 4, Summer 1993.

With the demise of Bill Harrah and the sale of many of his cars, the F.R.P. went to Mr. Charles Mallory of Connecticut, who later donated it to the Collier Automotive Museum. When the Collier Museum closed, the F.R.P. was donated to the Seal Cove Auto Museum in October 1994.

A 2-seater raceabout replica was later assembled from leftover parts; Seal Cove’s F.R.P. is the sole survivor.

The Seal Cove Auto Museum opens for the season on May 1st. https://www.sealcoveautomuseum.org/

From Greg O's Garage; The F.R.P. automobile built in Port Jefferson

Wonderful article Howard.
I “only” knew of the FRP and Only but this article goes further.  Great history.
Thank you—
Gerry

From Greg O's Garage; The F.R.P. automobile built in Port Jefferson

Great stuff Howard, thanks for increased clarification of Vanderbilt history!

From Video of the Week: American Experience-Consuelo's Wedding The Gilded Age

Great post Howard! A lot of unknowned facts about the big “LIE.” Growing up in Queens in the ‘70’s, the Bowne tree near Kissena Park was the oldest at the time, I dont believe it still exists.
Brian, the newly constructed LIE just plowed through the landscape, disregarding any historical features that were present at the time. That is most unfortunate.

From LongIsland.com: Crazy Facts About the Long Island Expressway

These are the aerials I meant to post here. There neat because you can see the LIE under construction along with the original LIMP in 1962. The website will likely be easier to view on a computer rather than a phone.

https://gisapps.suffolkcountyny.gov/gisviewer/

From LongIsland.com: Crazy Facts About the Long Island Expressway