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The six Vanderbilt Cup Races held on Long Island from 1904 to 1910 were the greatest sporting events of their day, and the first international automobile road races held in the United States. The races had a far-reaching impact on the development of American automobiles and parkways. This site provides comprehensive information on the races, the Long Island Motor Parkway and current Long Island automotive events, car shows and news.
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Good Luck and I can’t wait to see a video of this.
From Patch.com: "Black Beast to Run Centennial Lap in Indy 500"
Wonderful accomplishment. Good luck at the Indy 500.
From Patch.com: "Black Beast to Run Centennial Lap in Indy 500"
Lee Stohr is, perhaps,THE authority on Christie automobiles. I do not know as much as Lee, but I do know a good bit about these cars and agree with the estimate of approximately 140 bhp. But—I would point out that, when it comes to track performance of a large displacement, slow turning engine, horsepower is nearly meaningless compared to torque. It is torque that governs acceleration, and it is acceleration that pulled the Christie so quickly through and, especially, out of turns.
From Saturday Request: Information on the Christie Racers from Barney Oldfield's Great-Great -Nephew
Hello Wayne,
I have done a lot of research on Walter Christie’s automobiles. I think 140hp is about right. One way to estimate the torque and power of these old engines is by using a formula found in ‘The Gasoline Automobile:Vol.II by Heldt(1913)’. Christie’s big 7.5” diameter pistons and 7” stroke give about 650ft.lbs of torque. You get big torque when you have a 1237 cubic inch engine !
The engine didn’t turn more than 1200rpm, and Horsepower is calculated by multiplying torque x rpm/5252. So 130-140hp might be right. Christie’s crankshaft was sort of attached directly to the front wheels in top gear. Christie changed his final drive ratio by changing front tires sizes. Usually he carried a range from 30” to 34”.
I think the ‘Oldfield’ Christie was one of the fastest cars in the world after Barney had Harry Miller do some work on it. Unfortunately by 1916 there was no place to race a car with that large an engine. So Barney used it for exhibition runs, track opening ceremonies and record breaking. The Christie was only set up to run a few miles at a time, it had no radiator. The cooling water circulated through a big tank behind the drivers seat. After a few laps, it would probably be on the verge of overheating.
However, it was Walter Christie’s last and fastest racing car. It had a single overhead cam with overhead valves. Sadly, the car was scrapped in Chicago in 1919.
Lee Stohr
From Saturday Request: Information on the Christie Racers from Barney Oldfield's Great-Great -Nephew
Dear Howard I would like some one to purchase my 14 beautiful Framed matted prints colored 1900 auto’s By famous “Henry Austin Clark Jr.I bought the in 1960’s. The are in excellent condition.I would Sell the Complete Collection for $100.oo each.I know someone would really appreciate them.The Mahogny frames & matted cost me more than I am asking for print.Thank You Very kindly, JG. I loved meeting your father in 1950’s He was a very exciting man, when we talked about antique cars.I had a national winner at Hersey show in the 1970’s. I had a 1929 Studebaker President Cabriolet Convertable I took 7 years to complete.I have some great colored photos of car at Hersey show.Well so long for now,looking forward to hearing from you soon. Respecfuuly Jerry.
From Memories of Henry Austin Clark, Jr.
Hi Ken:
Thank goodness for the PS!!
Howard
From First Meeting of the Long Island Motor Parkway Preservation Society
Hi Russell:
The braces held canvass fenders when the Beast was not racing. The originals are long gone.
Howard
From Take the Alco Black Beast Road Test
I noticed the front fender braces on the Beast. Do you have the originals, or are you having a set made? I know it might race without them,but perhaps they were removed beforehand. Just curiousity.
From Take the Alco Black Beast Road Test
Howard,
I hope that you have a great run around the track in Indianapolis next week end and I am looking forward to seeing it on TV.
I was requested to ask you of the possibility of showing the “Beast” at the Hallockville Museum on Sat., June 18 as part of an event to celebrate the history of Sound Ave. This is to be a cooperative event by the North Fork Environmental Council and the Museum and will include a trolley tour on Sound Ave. hosted by Dr. Richard Wines, a well-respected local historian. I did explain that this would be somewhat of an imposition on you for such a short visit and demonstration. However, Bob Barauskas will be giving a brief presentation about the 1909 stock car race on Sound Ave. and the Beast would be a perfect example of the type of cars that ran.
Regards, George Bartunek
From Take the Alco Black Beast Road Test
The beast is HOT! I’m listening carefully and it sounds ready than ever before. Please let me know when elbow grease is required at OBVR. Cheers
From Take the Alco Black Beast Road Test
Howard-
Not too sure about the aconrym LIMP; but count me in, in any case. I
Ken Wiebke
From First Meeting of the Long Island Motor Parkway Preservation Society
Robert:
Danke schön!
Howard
From Take the Alco Black Beast Road Test
Race viewing has certainly changed over the years. This type of crowd control is more like Rally spectating in Europe, which is not unlike the Vanderbilt Cup races, over public roads and the cars somewhat spaced out.
From VanderbiltCupRaces.com Exclusive: Krug's Hotel in Mineola During the 1904 Vanderbilt Cup Race
HelmUt? Dos es German? Great shots, Howard. But I kept waiting for you to really hit the loud pedal.
Thank goodness, summer has arrived…finally.
From Take the Alco Black Beast Road Test
That should get you around the Indy track with no problems!
From Take the Alco Black Beast Road Test
Another great meeing !
Hopefully OBVR will be able to deliver on their promises of repairing the damage their people did to the LIMP bridge on their property and then we can start a process to see how it can be restored to its former state along with making a loop so antique cars can once more ride that portion of LIMP.
From Second Meeting of the Long Island Motor Parkway Preservation Society
A sure sign of Spring. The Black Beast has awakened.
From VanderbiltCupRaces.com Exclusive: Krug's Hotel in Mineola During the 1904 Vanderbilt Cup Race
GREAT FILM, HOWARD !
I felt I was there across the street imagining those primative high displacement race cars flying by.
From VanderbiltCupRaces.com Exclusive: Krug's Hotel in Mineola During the 1904 Vanderbilt Cup Race
From James Elliot:
“I think it would be far more beneficial to have an exhibit of this cup on Long Island rather than in storage in Washington, DC. I also think it is important for the improved access to the cup which is an important link so much Long Island auto racing history.”
From VanderbiltCupRaces.com Exclusive: The Vanderbilt Cup Trophy Today
I made a real effort to attend but after sitting in traffic/rain on Northern State Parkway for over 30 minutes and only going 5 miles got off and came home. The traffic advisory signs said delays were for the next dozen exits and I hadn’t gone beyond Roslyn Rd.! Sorry ! But I do have something I wanted to bring along for the group/Society which I will get to Howard.
From Second Meeting of the Long Island Motor Parkway Preservation Society
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