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I’m not sure which two bridges these are, but I’m sure we are looking to the east, west of route 110. Take a look at the shadows of the the white post and rail fence to the right of the picture. The light from sun the would be coming from a south/soutwest direction, which would have to mean we are looking to the east. The instructions on the bridge, “No parking west of the Huntington Lodge”, would mean that the photo was taken west of route 110.

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Same goes for me Howard. Be seeing you and the Black Beast on Sunday

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Thankyou for comforting me, Frank lol. Initially, I figured either you or Howard already knew the answer for this area. But I. guess it,s a mystery. to all. It looks like your on the right track. I’d like to think that the various farmers in the area would charge for parking around their properties. Or maybe they requested signs to be posted to plain keep cars away from their fields.

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Congratulations Howard! Your site is still one of my favorite projects and so great to see it getting public recognition. Good luck!

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Congratulations! And well deserved, for sure. I checked upon your competitors, but this site is certainly the best!!

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Ron, thanks. Look forward to seeing you on Saturday.

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Confusing indeed… especially from one who lived in the area, and although a bit on in years, I still remember the LIMP as going over Ruland Rd (not the other way around), especially if at that time anyone else can recall Ruland Rd.  But, if I understand correctly, the bridges—both of them, carry local roads over the LIMP; tyherefore, if it can’t be the Ruland Rd bridge, then it must be one or other on or about where Baylis, Duryea, Ruland, Pinelawn, Colonial Springs come together?

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Exactly Howard, that picture of Nibbes farmway bridge looking south resembles the bridge in the mystery photo that is in the distance. I have suspicion that the “no parking” signs were intended mostly for the park visitors as parking was not yet available for motorists, the car was in its infancy and parking lots were yet to be created. I’d guess they were advertising “no parking” in this open corner area of the park, right on Deadman’s #3, where the signs would be viewable from many angles and adjacent to the golf course. The Plainview bridge, being 3.4mi away from the lodge, would have been an hour’s walk to the park. But they were “illegally” parking west of the lodge, somewhere in the sand pit area, that would have made the walk to the park even shorter. This open corner area of the park, with farmland all around and no obstructions in the way, would have made the opposite facing signs at 90 degrees very visible. Just a thought. http://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/images/blog/03-26-2008-20-00-49-552_edited-3.jpg

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Hi Howard:  Another mark on your resume of life and most deserving !!!!!
            C O N G R A T S   on the nomination and hope you win !!!!

    I hope to see you at our ALPCA-LI meet this coming Saturday at the Elks Lodge
in Massapequa…..  Best For Now and CHEERS To you !!!!    Ron
PCOt

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Frank, you may be on to something here. Take a look at the 1908 Powell Avenue image looking South. Could that be the Nibbe Farmway Bridge in the distance?

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Brian, I know the feeling. I’m about to throw the towel in on this one, ha. Third guess is Powell Ave hwy bridge first, then Nibbes farmway bridge in the distance, looking south, westbound on the LIMP (where today’s Rt. 135 runs south). http://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/images/blog/Scanned_Photo-2_editedtiff_J11.jpg  The approximate distance between those two bridges would have been Approx 600ft or .11mi which coincides with the mystery photo. These two bridges would have been in view of each other. Only thing troubling is, like Sam says, the Huntington Sign doesn’t have meaning in that direction. But if you reverse direction, you lose the slight left curve at the bridge in the distance of the mystery photo. It’s possible they were warning LIMPers about parking at the lodge in both directions, while you visited Central Park. Was there back and forth golfing traffic going on in the park? Were U turns permitted on the LIMP? Be advised, “NO PARKING WEST OF HUNTINGTON LODGE”…or else. Not sure, just a theory. The Plainview Bridge sign heading towards the lodge was 3.4mi away from it and the (alleged) reversed Powell Ave sign was 3.8mi from the lodge. They were pretty close to each other in the park. The parking problem may have risen from the trolley running on Broadhollow Road. Howard, the Motor Pkwy Atlas is a great tool! Thanks for sharing.

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Brian, don’t scramble your brain! However, Ruland/Melville Bridge can be ruled out since it was a “parkway” bridge that carried the Motor Parkway over the intersecting road rather than a “highway” bridge or “farmway” bridge which is shown in the Mystery Foto.

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My brain is so scrambled now, so I’m writing down my thoughts before typing them. NO PARKING WEST OF. HUNTINGTON. LODGE sign must have been embled on more than 1 bridge in this immediate area. It does’nt seem to matter in what direction one would be driving on the LIMP because this. very sign is posted on the. Plainview. Rd. parkway bridge photo-looking east. ( steel tower on right ). The frontal overpass in the mystery photo has this sign as well, but it’s not the Plainview. Rd overpass. On the 1928 Melville Suffolk prints, it appears than Ruland (Melville)  Rd bridges over the LIMP, even though Ruland Rd is defined as a Parkway bridge. I’m too young to have a actual memory of this area when the remnants of these bridges were intact.  I’m still sticking with my second guess, which would be the Ruland/Melville Rd being the first bridge over the. LIMP; and the Baker bridge in the distance.

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From Joseph (motorpky) DeBono:
“Howard this is Joseph(motorpky)DeBono The mystery photos of the two bridges are. The first one, Ruland rd The next one is a foot bridge ( a smaller bridge ) near maxess rd, near the Huntington lodge and route 110 Thanks Howard Keep up the good work, and the Chrysler is going to look great.”

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Howard, the Long Island Motor Touring Club (LIMTC) would like you to provide a ” history of the Vanderbilt Races on Long Island” presentation at one of our monthly meetings. Would you be available on May 9th (Thursday) at 8PM?
Bill Murray (516) 2936378) LIMTC 2nd VP activities

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Forget it. The west railings don’t match OCR.

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Fascinating, and educational.  Keep it up!

Thanks!

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Please Be Careful. Do Not Pass Cars On Bridges and Curves. My best guess so far is Old Courthouse Road bridge with an unidentified bridge further down (even though this is 18 mi west of the Huntington Lodge). My decision was based on those monuments that were found in the area as indicated on the 1928 Motor Pkwy Atlas. Later, new monuments were set in the same area indicating they were going to change or build something there. At N 40 45 47.2, W 73 41 02.6 I found concrete embedded in the dirt and what appears high elevation on both sides for a bridge abutment? Not sure.  http://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/images/blog/Top-1132_edited-2-1.jpg

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Tony
the lead work will stay, it is in good condition, it is stable and does not crack like plastic filler does if that is put on to thick , lead just makes the cars heavier. this shop can still do lead work like this if they feel it is necessary. Luxury production bodied cars (Packard, Cord etc.) of this era used lead to fill in places where body panels were joined.  Cars built a few years earlier would have a piece of metal trim nailed in place to conceal the joint where the two panels of the body would meet.

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A good site to see the LIMP in NYC is at the DOITT website listed below and click on the camera icon to change to the aerial mode.

http://maps.nyc.gov/doitt/nycitymap/

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