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Rog, here is the original 2009 post:

http://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/blog/article/friday_april_17_2009_old_16_tin_art_by_david_wasserman

From "Old 16" Tin Art and the Unique Automobiles of the Lane Motor Museum in Nashville

I do not know if it is still there but I saw the car a few years ago at the Petersen Museum.  If I recall correctly it was a Ford Model T.  I will defer as to the year of the car and the movie to those with better memories (or those who will search the internet)

From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: Laurel & Hardy's 1922 Ford Model T

Maybe a bit more on “tin car art”, Howard to let us know how that beautiful image of “Old 16” was created?

Thanks,

Rog Patterson

From "Old 16" Tin Art and the Unique Automobiles of the Lane Motor Museum in Nashville

This was in a Hal Roach/MGM film, “Hog Wild” which came out on May 31, 1930. It is a 1923/24 Model T Ford touring car.  A display prop copy is at the Petersen Museum in LA.  There are few other original studio photos of this, too.

From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: Laurel & Hardy's 1922 Ford Model T

Ford Model T Touring Car - 1922
Hog Wild (1930)
Petersen Automotive Museum, LA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EkQlh-lxu4  (around the 17:45 mark)

From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: Laurel & Hardy's 1922 Ford Model T

1922 Ford Model T
Featured in movie “Hog Wild”. 1930
Presently in Petersen Museum, Los Angeles, California

From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: Laurel & Hardy's 1922 Ford Model T

This is a scene from the finale of the 1930 two-reel Laurel & Hardy film entitled “Hog Wild”. It’s a Model-T Ford, probably from the early 1920’s, that I believe is currently at the Petersen Museum in Los Angeles. For extra credit: name the actress in the back seat.

From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: Laurel & Hardy's 1922 Ford Model T

Still no computer. Really got me on this one,never saw that car in my life,so good luck on this one too guys

From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: Laurel & Hardy's 1922 Ford Model T

A 1922 Ford Model T from ‘Hog WIld’ (1930) now on display at the Petersen Museum in Los Angeles.

From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: Laurel & Hardy's 1922 Ford Model T

it is a 1922 Ford model T touring from the film “Hog Wild” and is in the Petersen Museum in Los Angeles.

From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: Laurel & Hardy's 1922 Ford Model T

After studying the ‘Hog Wild’ Ford at the Petersen Museum, I must conclude that there are many (small) differences between this car and the car in the movie. One remarkable difference is the windshield frame, which obviously belongs to a younger Ford. So this makes me really doubt if this is the original or a later produced copy??

From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: Laurel & Hardy's 1922 Ford Model T

Nice mystery, because it made me look again at the beautiful ‘slow comedy’ of Laurel and Hardy. The car is Laurel & Hardy’s favourite model T Ford (what else!?), the movie ‘Hog Wild’ (with previously unseen detail: the chimney bricks floating in the pond ...) of 1930. Production of the T-Ford already had stopped of course, but there must have been present everywhere still an overwhelming amount of Flivvers for all kinds of purposes, including the numerous Ford-acts in the Laurel & Hardy movies. Determination of the production year of the car itself is not easy for me as the 20’s are not really my thing, but I’ll give it a try. After some research I would guess on the basis of several details, that it is an early ‘20s model, probably 1921 or 1922. The movie car resides presently in the Petersen Automotive Museum in LA.

From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: Laurel & Hardy's 1922 Ford Model T

Mark, very neat. Thanks for the Dingley information.

Howard

From For the Dingley Family: Part II- Bert Dingley and the Vanderbilt Cup Races

This is great news and what a great job they are doing on this one of a kind car. Now just to get it sanded,primed and painted to perfection,sound easy,but you never know what imperfections may come up,as was said. The end result will be what it should look like,as if it was a brand new car. I’m sure The Chrysler’s Chrysler will be a WINNER AT THE FINISH LINE

From Chrysler’s Chrysler Chronicle VI: Heading to the "Finish Line"

Howard, I came across an interesting article that makes some points about Bert Dingley’s career. This is from August 1909 when he was entered as a Chalmers driver in the first races at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. He was in the 1905 James Gordon Bennett Cup and won the Wemme Trophy at the Portland Rose Festival (Oregon) in 1909. He also won the Shettler Trophy at Santa Monica in 1909. It’s all in this very brief article from the August 15, 1909 Indianapolis Star. http://firstsuperspeedway.com/articles/chalmers-ims-facility-detail

From For the Dingley Family: Part II- Bert Dingley and the Vanderbilt Cup Races

From David L.

“The Roberts story is wonderful.
Keep up the great work Howard.”

From Cousins of Drivers Montague and Mortimer Roberts Reunited With the Help of VanderbiltCupRaces.com

Back at the library checking out the mystery and other things to keep up to date. The mystery was very interesting,too bad I couldn’t try to answer it

From Mystery Foto #40 Solved:The Von Osterman Family House in Lake Ronkonkoma in 1910

Howard -
Upon more thought, I am still sure the photo is of driver Harry Endicott, however, it was not taken at Indy in 1913.  Endicott drove a red, six-cyliner Nyberg at Indy that year, and that is clearly not what he is sitting in.  Photo is probably 1912 or earlier.  It is obviously a Mason.
Thanks.
Robert

From Cousins of Drivers Montague and Mortimer Roberts Reunited With the Help of VanderbiltCupRaces.com

Hi Robert:

Thanks for the comment.

You may be right. The source of information on the photo is Joel Finn, author of the “The 1912 Milwaukee Races”. I will do additional research on the photos.

Howard

From Cousins of Drivers Montague and Mortimer Roberts Reunited With the Help of VanderbiltCupRaces.com

Howard -
I’m going to throw a wrench into things and suggest that the photo identified as Mortimer Roberts, is not him.  I believe this is a photo of Harry Endicott and was taken in 1913 at Indianapolis.  His mechanic’s name was J.D. McNamara.  Endicott piloted a Mason in the ‘13 Indy.  The photo of the man wearing that outrageous driving mask is also Endicott.  You can find a similar photo on Mark Dill’s excellent early racing site.  I would like to see an actual image of Monty’s brother Mortimer, as I have never seen one.
Thanks for all the great work.  Love to visit and see what is up.
All the best.
Robert Rampton
Salt Lake City

From Cousins of Drivers Montague and Mortimer Roberts Reunited With the Help of VanderbiltCupRaces.com