Vanderbilt Cup Races

-Identify the Vanderbilt Cup Race
1905 VCR
-What is the date of the photo?
Saturday, October 14, 1905
-Identify the racer, the driver and mechanician
#10 Renault driven by Francois Szisz, Mechanician: George Dimietrievitch
-Identity any other personalities in the photo
Willie K.-center

From Mystery Foto #51 Solved: The #10 Renault at the Start of the 1905 Vanderbilt Cup Race

That looks like the number 10 Renault at the starting line for the 1905 Vanderbilt Cup Race on October 14, 1905. The driver is Ferenc (Francois) Szisz and the mechanician is Sergey (George) Dimietrievitch. Also in the photo is Willie K. Jr. standing directly over the right front tire. To his left could be Fred Wagner or possibly Peter Prunty.

From Mystery Foto #51 Solved: The #10 Renault at the Start of the 1905 Vanderbilt Cup Race

Two weeks ago I was at Sotheby’s in Manhattan for an auto auction preview.  One of the cars to be auctioned was the 1933 Pierce Arrow Silver Arrow that was at the museum.  It sold on December 10th for $3,740,000.  How times have changed.

From Updated: Walter McCarthy Collection: Then & Now- The Long Island Automotive Museum

I don’t believe austie ever got museum to a museum status .
  that was part of the problem.. non exempt tax right off.

From Walter McCarthy Collection: The Opening Year of the Long Island Automotive Museum (1948)

Bonjour,
En faisant des recherches sur mon grand oncle Louis Wagner (le frère de ma grand mère paternel), je suis arrivé sur votre site et j’ai trouvé beaucoup de documents que je connaissais pas, en particulier la coupe Vanderbilt.
Encore merci
Alain

Hello,
In researching my great uncle Louis Wagner (brother of my paternal grand mother) , I came to your website and I found a lot of documents that I did not know, especially the Vanderbilt Cup.
Thanks again
Alain
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From Howard Kroplick

Merci beaucoup!

From Images of the 1906 Vanderbilt Cup Race Winner: Louis Wagner

Loved the film!  Sad ending tho.  I have many postcards from the museum.

From Walter McCarthy Collection: The Opening Year of the Long Island Automotive Museum (1948)

Perhaps the street pattern within the cemetery property on the 1952 map is the current paths in the cemetery?

Howard…I know you are not there yet, but here is something I’m curious about n/o the Colonial Springs Rd bridge. According to a 1945 or earlier topo map on the HistoricAerials website, a RR siding ran n/o the mainline; pretty much following present day 23rd St. It continued north over Main, and looks to intersect with the LIMP. I came upon this while comparing a 1947 topo with a 1945 or earlier topo map. Perhaps with the construction of the LIMP in this area, this RR siding was encountered?

From Long Island Motor Parkway Bridge Series #58: Little East Neck Road Motor Parkway Bridge

Am trying to find out about a Mrs George W Robertson who lived at 410 Eight Avenue Asbury Park who in 1937 ordered a Rolls-Royce Phantom III.  Does anyone know if she was connected to the Robertson of Vanderbilt Racing fame or if she was a widow Any help gratefull received.
Thanks

Sue - realcar . co . uk in North Wales
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From Howard Kroplick

FYI, Vanderbilt Cup Race driver George Robertson’s middle initial was H.

From Calling All Vanderbilt Cup Race Families

Hi ALL:

  The license plate on the car is a New York Dealer plate #  32-259 and the word
Dealer is abbreviated to DLR.

          Cheers and Best !!!!  Ron Ridolph

From Mystery Fotos #50 Solved: Old 16 and The Beast in Bridgehampton (1951-1952)

Yup,you’re right,now I remember car#1

From Mystery Fotos #50 Solved: Old 16 and The Beast in Bridgehampton (1951-1952)

So sorry to see this. Remember the fun days of parties, auctions, etc. No one like Austin.

From Updated: Walter McCarthy Collection: Then & Now- The Long Island Automotive Museum

From Steve Lucas:

While researching this week’s mystery photos, I discovered some information that seems to contradict prior info regarding the 1951 and/or 1952 Bridgehampton races. According to the two race programs, the EFFYH only raced at Bridgehampton in 1952 (as # 77), yet Walter McCarthy’s film clip showing “The Beast” and the EFFYH was identified as 1951. In today’s mystery photo there appears to be a number 77 on the racer that’s on the trailer behind “The Beast”.
I’m also attaching three scans regarding the EFFYH, just for added interest. The first two (in color) is from a set of bubble gum cards I own issued by Topps Chewing Gum in 1953-1954. The third photo appears to be the original black & white used by Topps to produce its card. I found that on http://www.500race.com and appears to identify the driver as Walter Kotchan.

From Mystery Fotos #50 Solved: Old 16 and The Beast in Bridgehampton (1951-1952)

Just realized I goofed with my answer. It is worded, “were photographed at the same location.”

Being I’m more sure of the Helck photo location being correct, I’ll say Boston Corner for both locations.

From Mystery Fotos #50 Solved: Old 16 and The Beast in Bridgehampton (1951-1952)

Location/Date:  Oct. 9, 1954 - 50th Anniversary of the first Vanderbilt Cup Race held at Garden City/Mineola.

Car #1: Peugeot
Car #2: “Old 16” Locomobile, Driver - Joe Tracy, Passengers - Peter Helck and son, Jerry.

From Mystery Fotos #50 Solved: Old 16 and The Beast in Bridgehampton (1951-1952)

Not much more I can do with this mystery this week. Year 1951 and possibly Old 16,as to where,no idea,don’t know where car1 is from,can’t make out the license plate,also see some writing on the car that I can’t make out either.It might be a concept car or experimental.I think I mentioned Austin Martin

From Mystery Fotos #50 Solved: Old 16 and The Beast in Bridgehampton (1951-1952)

Just realized I goofed on my answer. The wording of the question- “were photographed at the same location.”

Being I’m more sure of the Helck photo of Tracy delivering the Loco, I’ll go with both photos being taken in Boston Corner NY.

From Mystery Fotos #50 Solved: Old 16 and The Beast in Bridgehampton (1951-1952)

Identify vehicle #1 and its owner
The car was built for Russ Case and was based on Jeep running gear. It was originally called the “Case Super Special Speedster” and later, “The Beast”. After Case tired of it it wound up with Chuck Kotchan who painted it up in Grand Prix Motors livery. Chuck was the Effyh FIII car importer for the U.S. in 1951. Car seen here in Bridgehampton June 9, 1951

Identify vehicle #2, its driver and two passengers.
Old 16- 1906 Locomobile.
First American Car to Win a Vanderbilt Cup Race in 1908. In the photo, The car was delivered to Peter Helck’s Boston Corners, New York home by Joe Tracy in January 1942.

From Mystery Fotos #50 Solved: Old 16 and The Beast in Bridgehampton (1951-1952)

1951 (license plate), car one’s front end resembles a Jaquar (prototype) with grand prix decal on door, car two carries the Helcks with former owner/driver Joe Sessions but more likely VCR winner George Robertson.

From Mystery Fotos #50 Solved: Old 16 and The Beast in Bridgehampton (1951-1952)

#1’s that weird tow-car you’ve pictured before (and, no, I’m NOT gonna look it up) and #2’s a give-away - 1906 Locomobile “Old 16” in (on?) which George Robertson won the 1908 VCP, probably with George (or Joe Tracy?) at the wheel, probably owner Peter Helck’s son Jerry alongside, and Peter Helck on the floorboard, risking emasculation by the left-hand chain!  Sam, III

From Mystery Fotos #50 Solved: Old 16 and The Beast in Bridgehampton (1951-1952)

Holy mackerel, Andy!  Could that Rolls Phantom I up front in the lead picture be the same one I photographed back on 20 May 1956:

  http://sbiii.com/automot2.html#clasicar?

Nope, it’s a drophead and the car in my shot has an odd hard-topped roadster body (and the fender lips and bumper are different) but it did give me quite a turn for a mo’!  It’s not the drophead noted and pictured at:

  http://sbiii.com/automotv.html;

that one was a P-II.  Oh, well.

Sam, III

From Updated: Walter McCarthy Collection: Then & Now- The Long Island Automotive Museum