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I find these posts to be one of the most interesting remnants of the Motor Parkway. The fact that so many survive intact today is remarkable. A few of them we saw at Clinton Road looked like they were brand new and installed last week!
From The Concrete Fence-Posts of the Long Island Motor Parkway
The location of the house is at Central Ave and Seventh Street, Garden City Park.
My speculation on the relationship of the posts to the parkway is that the owner of the house removed the posts after the close of the parkway in 1938. The owner could of been a worker or contractor who removed the many bridges, overpasses, sections, and etc. after the close. The posts could of been obtained during the building of many of the new housing developments in the area next to the parkway during the 50’s.
From Mystery Foto #18 Solved: A Garden City Park Home With "Motor Parkway-Like" Concrete Fence-Posts
This house/fence is/was located on a south east corner somewhere in Garden City Park. So far unable to locate, as I’ve been warned it’s impossible to find. I came across a house of similar construction but it’s not the same one. There are so many clues in the photo, I shall continue to search a little more. I believe I’ll be looking forward to this week’s answers
From Mystery Foto #18 Solved: A Garden City Park Home With "Motor Parkway-Like" Concrete Fence-Posts
A Velocci Fable
IN 1991 WHILE LOOKING FOR A SHORT-CUT FROM DENTON AVENUE IN GARDEN CITY PARK TO MARCUS AVENUE, I CAME ACROSS THIS HOUSE THAT WAS FENCED IN BY WHAT APPEARED TO ME TO BE CONCRETE POSTS THAT WERE SIMILAR TO THOSE USED ON THE MOTOR PARKWAY. THERE WAS A WOMEN TENDING TO HER GARDEN AT THE TIME SO i STOPPED, INTRODUCED MYSELF AND TOLD HER OF MY INTEREST IN THE FENCE POSTS. SHE TOLD ME AN ASTOUNDING STORY OF WILLIAM K. VANDERBILT BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR THE POSTS AROUND THE PROPERTY. WHAAAT?... HOW? .... WHEN? THIS IS THE STORY HER GRANDMOTHER TOLD HER. IN THE EARLY 1920’S VANDERBILT HAD JUST COMPLETED A ROUND OF GOLF AT THE LINKS CLUB AND AFTER HAVING LUNCH AND ON HIS WAY TO HIS CAR, HE WAS SURPRISED TO SEE THE WAITRESS THAT HAD SERVED HIM LUNCH, WALKING A HORSE FROM THE REAR OF THE CLUBHOUSE TOWARD SHELTER ROCK ROAD. HE POLITELY ASKED IF SHE WAS GOING FOR A RIDE AND SHE ANSWERED NO, SHE IN FACT WAS GOING HOME- ON HORSEBACK. MORE ASTOUNDINGLY, SHE TOLD VANDERBILT HER GRANDFATHER, OLIVER QUOILE, HAD WORKED FOR THE MOTOR PARKWAY AS A CONSTRUCTION FOREMAN DURING THE BUILDING OF THE BRIDGE OVER OLD COURT HOUSE ROAD. AND STARING TO CRY AT THIS POINT, TOLD VANDERBILT, HE DISAPPEARED, NEVER TO BE SEEN AGAIN. AT THE END OF THAT WORK DAY THE FOREMAN ASSIGNED TO THE BRIDGE OVER SHELTER ROCK ROAD CAME BY BY LOOKING FOR OLIVER AND SAID THE LAST HE SAW OF OLIVER WAS THAT MORNING WHEN HE DESCENDED INTO THE FORMS PUT IN PLACE FOR THE EMBANKMENT WALLS OF THE BRIDGE. QUOILE DID SO TO CHECK THAT THE FORMS WERE PROPERLY CONSTRUCTED AS THEY WERE GOING TO POUR CEMENT THAT DAY. EVERY ONE ASSUMED HE WAS BUSY ELSE WARE IN ANY EVENT, HE WAS NEVER SEEN AGAIN. VANDERBILT ASKED HOW FAR SHE HAD TO GO TO REACH HOME , SHE TOLD HIM ABOUT A MILE AND WAS SAVING UP MONEY TO BUY A CAR SINCE THE HORSE WAS CONTINUALLY BREAKING LOOSE WANDERING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS THE FENCING AROUND THE BARN WAS BAD. VANDERBILT IN AN OH OH MOMENT, OFFERS TO SEND OVER A PARKWAY CREW TO HER HOME TO SEE WHAT COULD BE DONE TO ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM. YOU CAN GUESS THE REST, NOT ONLY WAS THE FENCE USING PARKWAY POSTS REPAIRED, BUT THE GATE TO THE STABLE AREA WAS REPLACED WITH ONE OF THE TOLL GATES USED ON THE PARKWAY. IT WAS SETUP SO A WEIGHT ATTACHED TO A CORD CONNECTED TO THE GATE WAS AT THE HEIGHT OF A PERSON ON A HORSE AND WHEN RELEASED, DROPPED THE WEIGHT RAISING THE GATE WHEN LEAVING THE YARD. THE NEXT TIME I GO OVER TO THE OLD COURT HOUSE ROAD BRIDGE, I’M GOING TO LOOK VERY CAREFULLY AT THE BASES OF THE EMBANKMENTS. AL.
From Mystery Foto #18 Solved: A Garden City Park Home With "Motor Parkway-Like" Concrete Fence-Posts
Where did the 750 posts remaining figure come from? I’m curious. Did someone actually count them? This has Art written all over it.
LIMP trivia: what Nassau county town has the most remaining posts? In my mind Queens by far has the most remaining posts but I’m curious if anyone actually knows the answer to this. Are there any stats on remaining posts? Where they are and how many etc?
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Howard Kroplick
Dave, my best guess estimate. Time for a Sammy & Dave concrete fence-post survey!
From The Concrete Fence-Posts of the Long Island Motor Parkway
The house is located on the Southwest corner of 7th Street and Central Ave in Garden City Park. The only connection I can see is that it is using Motor Parkway posts for it’s fence.
From Mystery Foto #18 Solved: A Garden City Park Home With "Motor Parkway-Like" Concrete Fence-Posts
Hint was where I was going to base my efforts on after doing some initial thinking. Not at home this weekend (been researching additional Dead Man’s Curves) and have limited time so not going to be able to do as much research as usual. Posts used to support fences must have been Motor Parkway fences.
From Mystery Foto #18 Solved: A Garden City Park Home With "Motor Parkway-Like" Concrete Fence-Posts
This is my final attempt with this mystery. A 1/4 mile of The Garden City Water District address will lead to….Garden City Park, Herricks, North New Hyde Park, and possibly New Hyde Park. These towns/villages share the same zip code 11040.
I remember a newspaper article concerning the LIMP. The article stated that Al Velocci is/was a resident of New Hyde Park. Is this house with the LIMP boundary posts supporting the wood fence associated with Mr. Velocci?
From Mystery Foto #18 Solved: A Garden City Park Home With "Motor Parkway-Like" Concrete Fence-Posts
for years it has been a near mantra of sorts for me and my son Gram: “There’s another post!”
From The Concrete Fence-Posts of the Long Island Motor Parkway
Follow-up (post script?). Both old pages noted are now updated/converted and available, with the addition of <http://sbiii.com/limpwnas.html#searposts> to the latter. Lente, lente, curritu noctis equii. Per ardua ad astra. Sam, III
From The Concrete Fence-Posts of the Long Island Motor Parkway
Even with the updated hints stating that this house is in Garden City Park, I couldn’t locate it. I utilized the following website; http;//lrv.nassaucounty.gov/map/ to attempt finding the address. I searched thru the vicinity of Garden City Park and some outer areas, twice; but no luck. The closer you zoom into the area, the property lines display. When you click on the property, a photo of the house will display. I have no doubt that this house is in Garden City Park. Sure some of you will know the location.
* Whoever lives here utilized LIMP boundary posts to support the fence, for the most part.
* The 2nd photo shows the other house on the side road. #27?
I don’t like throwing the towel in, but this one has me beat.
From Mystery Foto #18 Solved: A Garden City Park Home With "Motor Parkway-Like" Concrete Fence-Posts
Thanks for the post post. For post-post-post references (old ones), may I refer you to:
1. http://sbiii.com/limpkwy0.html#limposts,
2. http://sbiii.com/limpwnas.html#nhpposts, and (especially)
3. http://sbiii.com/limposts.html.
Put those in your post and wire (or slat) them!
[Give me a little time to correct #1 (cedar vs. locust) and to restore #2, please.]
Sam, III
From The Concrete Fence-Posts of the Long Island Motor Parkway
Obviously, the fence posts were at one time on the ROW for the L I Motor Parkway. The question is who would have the ability to acquire and transport that many posts to their own property. My first thought was Art Kleiner; then possibly Marty Himes; but neither of them is in the GCP Water District. Probably in the vicinity of Denton Ave. - Old Courthouse Rd. - Marcus Ave. Can’t wait for the answer.
From Mystery Foto #18 Solved: A Garden City Park Home With "Motor Parkway-Like" Concrete Fence-Posts
Well it for certain was right off the LIMP , that’s the easy part…Maybe it was a toll house? I’m certain the more knowledgeable than I will chime in….
From Mystery Foto #18 Solved: A Garden City Park Home With "Motor Parkway-Like" Concrete Fence-Posts
Being that most cedar trees are naturally resistant to decay and insects, that’s probably why this type of wood was used as the original boundary posts. The older linemen I used to work along with said that LILCO originally purchased wood poles made from cedar for that exact reason. Wood poles today are basically made from common pine trees, and saturated with preservatives. Still looking for that house with the concrete posts, thanks for the extra hints.
From The Concrete Fence-Posts of the Long Island Motor Parkway
Looking north from north 27th off of Colonial Springs Road. Treeline is still there.
Sight of proposed development of 264 rental units.
From Mystery Foto #12 Unsolved:Possible Options for this Long Island Motor Parkway Curve- Ca.1928 Update
There’s a concrete post in the backyard of a house just southwest of the corner of Blacksmith Road and Crocus Lane That’s in the front of the development that caused some sort of controversy when it was in the planning stage. ( It’s just around the corner from where the tennis court was at the L.I. Country Club Airport.) The post used to be more visible, standing close to a fence, but another fence has been added within the last few months, now making it harder to find.
From The Concrete Fence-Posts of the Long Island Motor Parkway
My best guess on this is that the posts from the Long Island Motor Parkway,I think are being used for the fence,which makes it unusual. As for the rest of it,I’m not even going to attempt it.
From Mystery Foto #18 Solved: A Garden City Park Home With "Motor Parkway-Like" Concrete Fence-Posts
Have a great time at Merchant Marine Academy tomorrow,wish I could be there. By the way did you get the pics I sent you about 2 wks ago of that Packard?
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Howard Kroplick:
Ted, yes I did. Thanks so much!
From One Event This Saturday on Long Island (Updated: November 17, 2017)
As Brian McCarthy noticed the Inn was lined up at about at 356 degrees instead of dead North at 360, playing there during the second World War we all had army equipment on, canteens, wooden guns, helmets and compasses We would place our compasses on the edge of the terrace and it would never point to true north we assumed the compasses were wrong. I will try to get out there because I think the south terrace steps are still in one piece and they will serve as a starting point, using a much better compass.
Bob DeStefani
From Femenias' Findings: Remnants of the Petit Trianon's Walkways in Lake Ronkonkoma
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