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I was 11 when the Fair opened and every visit was an adventure. I remember Carby Carburetor was an animated spokesperson for Chrysler and if you gave your name and address, he sent you a postcard. The Better Living Pavilion had Frisbee demonstrations and the famous hot rod, Li’l Coffin on display. I got my Social Security number at the US pavilion and if you handed in a dime, they would irradiate it and make it radioactive. It was placed in a small plastic disk as a souvenir. Hard to believe they would hand out radioactive trinkets to eagerly awaiting kids. I have so many fond memories of the Fair. I never wanted it to end. It was a time of great hopes and dreams.

From Hagerty Media: The Cars and Exhibits of the 1964 New York World’s Fair

Wow what great follow up information. I want to thank everyone who has added to this photo. I do have a tendency towards Steve Lucas’ comment. Why? When I purchased this photo it came with 3 other from the Briarcliff Race.  I was informed the Cedrino at one time (early on) drove without the mustache.  I guess still a mystery. Thank you all.

From Mystery Friday Foto #7 Solved: Emanuel Cedrino driving the 1908 Fiat Cyclone

The link is of the model of the Chrysler turbine car that I personally obtained when I visited the Chrysler pavilion at the Chrysler Pavalion at the 1964 World’s Fair with my mother. The model has emotional value to me because my mom was with me when I obtained it.  Another exhibit that stands out to me was Michelangelo’s Pieta.  Then there was no plexiglass shield protecting it.

The fair was actually in Corona, where I was born in 1950.  The people of Corona were not happy that they changed the name of the location.

This is a great article of the 1964 World’s Fair. Thank you, Howard, for including it in this weeks newsletter.

Oh well ... I tried to include the picture I have of the model, but an error message pops up because it’s too large. If anyone knows how I can include it, please advise

From Hagerty Media: The Cars and Exhibits of the 1964 New York World’s Fair

Memories of the 1964 World’s Fair as seen by a 15-year old:

Belgian waffles, Pieta, video phones connected to California, my older sister working at the Pakistan Pavilion and, of course, seeing the Mustang for the first time.

Enjoy,
Howard

From Hagerty Media: The Cars and Exhibits of the 1964 New York World’s Fair

Thanks, Greg, for the softball for us oldtimers. That’s the 1937 Chrysler Imperial C-15 Town Car with body by LeBaron. The garage is at the Suffolk County Vanderbilt Museum. The date is probably late 2011 or early 2012, just prior to it being transported to another garage at 55 Lumber Road in Roslyn.

From Mystery Friday Foto #8 Solved: "Chrysler's Chrysler"- 1937 Chrysler Imperial C-15 LeBaron Town Car

I know where “Anycar 3” is today.

From Mystery Friday Foto #24 Solved: The 1973 Any Car II

Ariejan,  I believe we both had the same experience and used the same sources in trying to solve this mystery photo which to me did not add up to a conclusive answer.  More work on this to be done.

From Mystery Friday Foto #7 Solved: Emanuel Cedrino driving the 1908 Fiat Cyclone

In Ariejan Bos’ photo above, the racing bicycle with extra large chainring, is drafting behind the vehicle in an attempt to break the present high-speed bicycle record. The tightly-packed sand at Ormond and nearby Daytona Beach were optimal grounds for racing at the time, and are still used today for vehicular travel

From Mystery Friday Foto #7 Solved: Emanuel Cedrino driving the 1908 Fiat Cyclone

It’s “Chrysler’s Chrysler” - The 1937 Chrysler Imperial C-15 Town Car custom-built by Walter P. Chrysler for his wife, Della. Foto is of the car in the garage at the Vanderbilt Museum, where it sat unrestored from 1992 until Howard bought it in 2012. Picture was likely taken in late 2011. The car now lives, restored, at the Waterfront at Roslyn.

Source of my information is newsday.com. I have seen the car up close, and it is beautifully restored.

From Mystery Friday Foto #8 Solved: "Chrysler's Chrysler"- 1937 Chrysler Imperial C-15 LeBaron Town Car

A curious observation I forgot to mention: check the location of the feet of Cedrino in the above photo. I was stunned to see this, I couldn’t believe to see this on a ‘modern’ racing car in 1908!

From Mystery Friday Foto #7 Solved: Emanuel Cedrino driving the 1908 Fiat Cyclone

Researching the mystery photo I wasn’t able to identify the driver. The proposed solution however doesn’t fit the facts. Attached the photo I have in my archive showing Cedrino in the Fiat Cyclone, with which he won several events during the Ormond-Daytona meeting in March, 1908. In the Detroit Public Library (DPL) photo archive several more photos of this car can be found, all having the number 2 on the radiator and the hood. One thing is clear: Cedrino has a very pronounced moustache, whereas the man on the mystery photo doesn’t.
However looking at the photos of this event another Fiat Cyclone appears to have been present: one with the Fiat script on the radiator and the text Fiat Cyclone on both sides of the hood. The Fiats are clearly different, not only in body shape, but also in radiator shape, so it really was a different car. This latter car, which can be seen on the mystery photo, seems to have been part of an event with cyclists at the beach. If it was during the car races or at another moment is not clear to me (there is no mentioning of the event in the magazine reports). One of the DPL photos shows the Fiat Cyclone acting as a pace car for a racing cyclist, with a board at the rear to keep the cyclist out of the wind. The pace car has, just like the mystery Fiat, a rectangular reservoir next to the single driver’s seat, which is clearly visible on the otherwise rather blurry photo.
In the magazine reports two other drivers are mentioned to have driven a Fiat Cyclone during the Ormand-Daytona races: S.B. Stevens, an American amateur racing driver, who didn’t have much success; And the young David Bruce-Brown (‘a New York schoolboy’ according to the report in The Automobile of March 12, 1908), who had persuaded Cedrino to let him attack the 4 year old mile record for amateur racing drivers by W.K. Vanderbilt. He succeeded to beat the old 39 seconds record and finished the mile in 35.6 seconds, not bad for a schoolboy! In all cases however these drivers had used the no.2 Fiat Cyclone.
Surprisingly according to one of the captions another famous driver was present on one of the Fiat Cyclone pace car photos in the DPL archive, and that was George Robertson! However I do not have the impression that it is him at the wheel of the mystery Fiat.
So I’m sorry to have created now even more mysteries, but hopefully someone with more knowledge on cycling history in the US can supply some clues to solve these.

From Mystery Friday Foto #7 Solved: Emanuel Cedrino driving the 1908 Fiat Cyclone

Art, Regarding the Oswald post, I think it was supposed to be Krug’s not Kings Corner. The Oswald property was located on the southside of Jericho Tpke, half way between Roslyn Rd. and Glen Cove Rd.

From Kleiner's Korner: Motor Parkway Real Estate Activity: January, 1926

Howard, thanks for all you do for Long Island history, and the classic car world!!!!
Your website is awesome!!!!!

From It's Our Anniversary! 18 Years of VanderbiltCupRaces.com

Thanks everyone for the wonderful feedback! Enjoy, Howard

From It's Our Anniversary! 18 Years of VanderbiltCupRaces.com

Has anyone ever come across a possible real estate connection between Willie K. and realtor S. Osgood Pell?

From Kleiner's Korner: Motor Parkway Real Estate Activity: January, 1926

Congratulations on 18 years!  I’m pretty sure I have been following this site from the beginning, which makes it pretty much the ONLY site that has ever been able to hold my interest for more than a few visits. 

Great content, excellent writing—and your enthusiasm oozes out of every page!

From It's Our Anniversary! 18 Years of VanderbiltCupRaces.com

Howard. Congratulations, your knowledgeable and informative contributions not only on Long Island automotive related history but international as well and has rightfully earned you the number one online rating in this field. Allowing the general public to actively participate on your site is especially appreciated encouraging viewers to contribute material that ordinarily would not see the light of day. Looking forward to many more years.

From It's Our Anniversary! 18 Years of VanderbiltCupRaces.com

I think that might be Emanuele Cedrino driving the 1908 Fiat Cyclone at the Briarcliff Race in Briarcliff, NY. His mechanician for that race was David Bruce-Brown, who drove in the 1910 and 1911 Vanderbilt Cup Races.

From Mystery Friday Foto #7 Solved: Emanuel Cedrino driving the 1908 Fiat Cyclone

Congratulations on inspiring many to enjoy the antique car hobby. You have many fans here in Connecticut who enjoy reading your weekly newsletter.

Perhaps you could please add the following car show to your events page. Many Thanks!

From It's Our Anniversary! 18 Years of VanderbiltCupRaces.com

From Mark T:
Congratulations on providing 18 years of historical information to your readers. This is a major achievement

Thank you

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