Vanderbilt Cup Races

Frank: again your attention to detail and map skills are awesome.

Sam III: We have to meet one day. I have a good sense of you I think!! Obviously we are not south of RTE 110. You know what I meant! I recall looking at your site and you showed the LIMP east of Spagnoli Road crossing over RTE 110 - there are LIPA lines there and a path and it appears to be the LIMP but it’s not. The ROW is north of this location, behind 555 RTE 110 really to the north side of the parking lot even. Don’t worry, with the tools you had at the time you did fantastic/amazing. A true leader in this quest. I thought it was correct too until I saw Wayne’s map and decided to check this northern spot out. LILCO threw us off on this one.

Maureen/Edith: Great discussion. Glad this great site enabled you to re-discover and reminisce! Check out Wayne’s online map of this zone, and Frank’s post as well above but Wayne’s map will give you greater detail with the surrounding area. As you walk through the northern part of the 555 RTE 110 parking lot heading east you quickly find the LIMP ROW. There is no doubt this is it. Posts are still in place and pavement fragments are everywhere. The first large pic that Howard posted above is not very far in and it is on the northern side of the ROW, exactly in the location you are discussing. This large pile of debris is also elevated as you can see. Maybe this is something? I just sent Howard another pic a bit further east then this first location with similar characteristics. You can see the USPS facility in the background so you know you are on the northern edge of the ROW. I definitely recall seeing large piles just south of the ROW as well but I have to investigate further. Will keep you posted if we find anything new/better!

From Updated: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Hike” VI: Broad Hollow Road

Edith Klarmann:

Names are not familiar.  however, let’s re-orient, that is—starting with the junction of Ruland Rd and Broad Hollow, going East on Ruland, the first structure (right side) would have been St Rose Indusrial Home for Girls, then next road, again to right would be Republic Road with the Nohile farm on the corner, all along Ruland would be the LIMP paralleling Ruland till where the LIMP then crossed over Ruland, and from here maps will show LIMP continuing to then parallel Colonial Road for a short distance, and that is it for me.  That said, what might there be of fotos in this area, and were if not for me bum leg and walker I could better identify landmarks, though, for now, this should help. As to the St Rose property, it continued along Ruland to Republic Rd, the east side of which was Schmidt and deLalio farms; originally, St Rose property continued to just short of deLalio farm where it then turned West to Broad Hollow Rd and along to Ruland to complete their boundary.  Incidentally, we lived in the green shingled farm house east side, first house in Huntington Township, it was a big old farm house with a wrap-round screen porch; West side of Broad Hollow was the Long Island Aggie School.  Hoped this was helpful.
Edith

From Updated: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Hike” VI: Broad Hollow Road

Edith,
I have come up with another name from my childhood in and around the Huntington Lodge area.  That name is Stephen Abramowski.  He was in my class at the Sweet Hollow elementary school in 1951.  I did sent a pic of the class to Howard. I am in the front row center with the bowl hair cut.  Did you attend this school by any chance?  Sorry to keep putting out this information in small drips but digging into the gray matter of the brain from sixty plus years is a slow process.  One cell at a time must be examined.
Maureen

From Updated: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Hike” VI: Broad Hollow Road

The location of the photo is at the old LIRR Bethpage Station.  The photo is at the east end of the station at the Broadway crossing looking east towards the LIMP bridge.
The 1908 Vanderbilt cup race course went over this bridge.
The year of the photo I would say would be the late 1930’s to early 1940’s in reference to the auto parked on Broadway.

From Mystery Foto #13 Solved: A 1944 View of the Central Avenue/LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge in Bethpage

I believe this is the Oyster Bay LIRR branch looking north from the Hillside Avenue crossing at the East Williston station,the LIMP overpass up ahead. Not sure of the year but I bet Hillebrandt’s was already open for business three blocks to the west.

From Mystery Foto #13 Solved: A 1944 View of the Central Avenue/LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge in Bethpage

Hello,
I have been on google maps today looking at the area around 555 Broadhollow Road and Spagnoli Rd.  I feel, if one drove right across 110 eastbound, you would be right on LIMP. I took a good look at the old tree growth and when I look back at my picture of the Cub tractor, to the back of the property looks very similar. Take a look and see what you think (40.762 - 73.423)  I also noticed the ground to the left of the tree growth by 110 slopes up.  This could be what remains of the area to the old overpass.
Regarding the old foundation, I could have been off and would say not less than 1/8 to not more than 1/4 mile to the left of the parkway from the center of the old 110.  When I look at the posted pic, there is now the utility line with a grass cutback.  The foundation would be just to the north of the cutback where the tree line begins.  I would assume LILCO would have graded all that in.
Can anyone tell me how I can go online and get property info regarding the purchase and/or sale (1953) of my parent’s property or a tax map?  This would really put an X on the spot and give measurements.
Boy, this stuff can be fun but addicting. 😊
Maureen

From Updated: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Hike” VI: Broad Hollow Road

Sam III-  North of Spagnoli Rd, 576 Broad Hollow Rd’s southwest corner is correct, where the curvy LIMP descended from the bridge.

From Updated: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Hike” VI: Broad Hollow Road

Edith-  Glad to have you back. We are in discussion about the Motor Parkway’s Huntington toll lodge in Melville, just up the block from your childhood home south of Ruland Rd. Maureen Standish actually lived in the lodge after it was moved just south from its original location. About your same age, do you recall Maureen, Teddy Barley, or Patty Krewatt? You all lived in the same area around the same time. What a thrill it would be to see childhood friends reunite.

Maureen-  Based on your description, it could’ve very well been the old foundation to your home. I measured the distance of this foundation from Old Broad Hollow Rd and got about 1/10 mile. I fear both foundations have been covered up with asphalt from the existing parking lot. Standing by for Sammy and Dave’s exploration results of this area! If time permits, I’ll take a run over there after the snow stops. It’s snowing here again! 

From Updated: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Hike” VI: Broad Hollow Road

Congratulations Howard !

I knew you would make it.

Best of luck.

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Looks like Roslyn road,  mineola, 1932

From Mystery Foto #13 Solved: A 1944 View of the Central Avenue/LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge in Bethpage

Looks like Bethpage RR Station facing East Toward Central Avenue Motor Parkway Bridge in the early 1940s based upon the car by the house. Used in the 1908 to 1910 races this was just north of the Deadman’s Curve.

From Mystery Foto #13 Solved: A 1944 View of the Central Avenue/LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge in Bethpage

Way to go!  Can’t wait to see the photos and hear all about it!

Rich

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Additional entry - The Kessler Glass Works shown next to the railroad crossing in the mystery photo was originally a pickle factory.  Warren Kessler moved his NYC based business to Bethpage around 1940 and the glass maker became world renowned being in existence until the early 1980s.  The location is now a CVS (what else?).  Interestingly, two nearby streets bear the name of two other famous glass makers - Stueben and Lenox.

From Mystery Foto #13 Solved: A 1944 View of the Central Avenue/LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge in Bethpage

Another wild guess!  Ellison Avenue in Westbury, looking west from Post Avenue.  I’m supposed to know when the Main Line was elevated there but don’t recall; ditto which races (no cheating!).  Sam, III

From Mystery Foto #13 Solved: A 1944 View of the Central Avenue/LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge in Bethpage

Dave, please be more specific; I have many old references that are “off” (and would be happy to correct) but the only places I recall being seriously confused by LIMP vs. LILCo in that area were on the east end of Bethpage State Park and the south side of Spagnoli Road just west of 110.  East of 110, the RoW is the south boundary of the USPS’s Mid-Island Processing and Distribution facility.  An I mistake me not, Howard has already fully covered the RoW on the west side of 110 under the parking lot ramp on the south side of 576 Br. Hollow Road.  By the way, “south of RTE 110” puts you in South Oyster Bay, the west end of Great South Bay!  Sam, III

From Updated: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Hike” VI: Broad Hollow Road

Identify the location and orientation of the the Mystery Foto and the Motor Parkway bridge.
Central Park (Bethpage) looking east across Broadway.  Central Avenue bridge.

Which Vanderbilt Cup Races courses, if any, included this bridge?
1908

What year was this photo taken? (Currently unknown)
Somewhere between 1941 - 1950 (after completion of the Kessler Glass Factory and and bridge being demolished).

From Mystery Foto #13 Solved: A 1944 View of the Central Avenue/LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge in Bethpage

Congratulations cuzzins!!  Hoping that you can find the time to visit with me and Shelley (and your other “California cuzzins”) when you come out this summer.  Maybe we (me and my AMC / Rambler buddies) can arrange to see the Tucker when you’re here.

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-Identify the location and orientation of the the Mystery Foto and the Motor Parkway bridge.
Looking East down the tracks at the Mineola railroad bridge.

-Which Vanderbilt Cup Races courses, if any, included this bridge?
No races went over this bridge

-What year was this photo taken? (Currently unknown)
Judging by the car on the right, I’ll guess sometime in the 1940’s.

From Mystery Foto #13 Solved: A 1944 View of the Central Avenue/LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge in Bethpage

Happy Easter everyone.

Dave-  Maureen has an excellent idea of inspecting the original Huntington lodge’s foundation by the north side of the RoW. Although this area has been rebuilt over the years, there’s a chance of discovery closer to the parkway. I quickly drew up an overlay of the 1930 and 1947 lodge locations (see attached, sending to Howard).

It looks like both foundations are in the paved parking lot, Darn! As Al Velocci noted, U-turns at this lodge were permitted and made by motorists mostly coming from the west, without privilege to leave and return. So a round trip, one dollar toll from Queens was possible from here. I sketched the yellow lines where the driveway was and where auto activity occurred with the U-turns. It looks like Broad Hollow Rd was eventually expanded eastward. 

If you and Sam are visiting here soon, it wouldn’t hurt to take a closer look. I included coordinates if it helps

From Updated: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Hike” VI: Broad Hollow Road

Looking east from the Central Line rail crossing, Bethpage.
In the distance is the LIMP bridge over Central Avenue.
The 1908 Cup race utilized this bridge.
The building on the left was the Kessler glass factory.
The building on the right was the Colonial Inn ( Hayes’ Inn)
Estimated date, using auto in front of Colonial, 1946.

From Mystery Foto #13 Solved: A 1944 View of the Central Avenue/LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge in Bethpage