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Added two more Femenias’ Findings showing the site of Edith Klarmann’s home.

From Updated: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Hike” VI: Broad Hollow Road

-Identify the location.
Dead Man’s Curve, Bethpage

-Identify the race(s), the race cars, drivers and mechanicians.
Long Island Motor Parkway Sweepstakes-M36 Rainier driven by Axel Peterson. Finished 4th.

-When was the photo taken? Besides the race being held, what was significant about this date?
October 10, 1908- I’ll guess and say it was also the 1908 World Series game between the Cubs and Tigers.

-Identify the train line in the background. What was the purpose of the train?
Central, to bring in spectators and viewing locations.

From Mystery Foto #15 Solved: A 1908 Long Island Racing Scene at Bethpage's Deadman's Curve I

Look at those estates….Amazing…

From Highlights from Long Island Motor Parkway Preservation Society Meeting: The Grand Vanderbilt Estates

What a great picture!  I suspect this is in Bethpage?  And the train might be the Babylon branch?  As too, the trains purpose?  Well since Autos, were in their infancy? It might have been simply to observe that great race!  This website is nothing short of fabulous!  And since this generation, has grown so non Committed, to todays “cookie cutter” vehicles!  Your doing a great service, by reminding them of how IT ALL GOT STARTED!  My era, was the 1950s , I,m addicted to ww, tires , chrome, and two tone colors!  But all cars Amaze me, And the Black beast, Never fails to greatly interest, all who see it…..Just to hear it run is an adventure!  I have a picture, of a little boy in it, (In Hallockville! )  I suspect that boy, will remember that day , all his life!

From Mystery Foto #15 Solved: A 1908 Long Island Racing Scene at Bethpage's Deadman's Curve I

Identify the location.  First Deadman’s Curve, Central Park Bethpage

Identify the race(s), the race cars, drivers and mechanicians.  1908 Meadowbrook Sweepstakes and the 1908 Motor Parkway Sweepstakes.  The M36 car is a Rainier driven by Alex Peterson in the Meadowbrook Race.  Haven’t gotten the mechanician yet.  The other car is the P41 Chadwick driven by William Haupt, mechanician possibly is E.A. Lindquist. 

When was the photo taken? Oct. 10, 1908.

Besides the race being held, what was significant about this date? 

Identify the train linein the background. What was the purpose of the train?
LIRR, traine stopped to be used as a viewing stand to watch the race.

From Mystery Foto #15 Solved: A 1908 Long Island Racing Scene at Bethpage's Deadman's Curve I

“Deadman’s Curve in Bethpage (the second curve, north of Central Avenue)) in the 1908
Motor Parkway Sweepstakes on October 10th.  The date was to test the new timing systems and crowd control procedures.
The car in front, the M36 Rainier was driven by Axel Peterson
The # 41 behind is a Chadwick driven by William Hauptmann.
The train is on the Central Line and was used to provide spectators with a view of the races.

From Mystery Foto #15 Solved: A 1908 Long Island Racing Scene at Bethpage's Deadman's Curve I

Hi Howard, did you ever get a chance to look at my grandfather’s information? ( Arthur Archibald )
Becky
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Howard Kroplick

Becky, please provide additional information on your grandfather such as where did he live.

From VanderbiltCupRaces.com Exclusive: A Motor Parkway Treasure Chest Found in Malverne

Dead Man’s Curve in the 1908 race. Central RR line used for shuttle service and bricks and lumber to build Garden City and Levittown. Axel Peterson’s #M36 Rainer battled William Haupt’s #P41 at the Deadman’s Curve.  OK i lifted that from the Deadman’s Curve blog, but it is a cool place to hike and explore and one of my favorite places along the way !

From Mystery Foto #15 Solved: A 1908 Long Island Racing Scene at Bethpage's Deadman's Curve I

Edith Klarmann:

Thanks again…

Old Broad Hollow Rd… the widening and straightening—straightening, in particular, took the route of the Trolley Line right of way, with the Trolley passing in front of our house (though several years before my time) continuing all the way to Conklin Street (corner of former Republic Aviation), then West to Farmingdale, with a jog to the LIRR station, then to Main and South on Main till it again joined Broad Hollow Rd before Amityville.

Edith

From Updated: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Hike” VI: Broad Hollow Road

See all at Williston Show April 29Thank you from Williston Park Historical Committee

From Howard Kroplick Events and Automobile Shows (Updated: October 19, 2018)

Frank - thank you for the info and it always seemed like the homes were built on the former roadway. The items that made me second guess it were the maps from the county that outlined the proposals for Motor Parkway Trail Program (arc swung out further) and locals that have mentioned seeing items in the backyards of Piper Lane.

From Updated: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Hike” VI: Broad Hollow Road

Mystery Foto Mystery… Solved!

I can explain how geometry and dogged Googling can explain the reported confusion… stay with me!

While the Brooklyn Eagle photo captions says “the view is eastward toward the Shearman estate”, it doesn’t actually assert the estate can be seen in the cropped image; my conclusion then is the light-colored buildings in the upper right must be the old Minton estate ‘Brookwood’ property (since 1977 the site of the Gates at North Hills condo, bounded on the west by NHP Road, the north by the NSP, on east by Old Courthouse Road and on the south by the LIMP).

Maps and photos dating from 1932 through 1966 show Brookwood as having two white-walled buildings set at a right angle to each other, which can be confirmed if you zoom in massively on the Eagle photo. In contrast, the Shearman compound is more in-line and dark hued.

Today, the Gates entrance way is just steps south of the Exit 26 e.b. on-ramp, while the Buckley property is 7/10ths of a mile farther to the east, and therefore does not actually appear in the photo.

My apologies for overlooking the above when viewing Mr. Berliner’s maps; below are the site links that provided the information supporting my new understanding.

Thanks, Jim

The Mystery photo source: bklyn.newspapers.com/image/59998015/?terms=Shearman+estate
Minton estate: halfpuddinghalfsauce.blogspot.com/search?q=brookwood
Minton estate: oldlongisland.com/2011/06/brookwood.html
Shearman estate: halfpuddinghalfsauce.blogspot.com/2013/02/north-hills-estate-of-lawrence-hobart.html
Gates at North Hills entrance: google.com/maps/@40.7641196,-73.6898016,3a,75y,28.48h,84.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWyXQESyM0cxZMI5LydlJDA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Overhead view of both properties: wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=40.765640&lon=-73.685110&z=16&m=b&show;=/4310801/Long-Island-Motor-Parkway-Bridge
Topographic map predating demolition of Brookwood: ngmdb.usgs.gov/img4/ht_icons/Browse/NY/NY_Sea Cliff_136118_1968_24000.jpg
Lastly, for the very patient, the Nassau County land viewer application: lrv.nassaucountyny.gov/map/ (provides current and historical maps and aerial photos plus a distance-finding tool)

From Updated: Mystery Foto #14 Solved: The Northern State Parkway Under Construction in 1932

Found my “missing” Maxess pix from 2004/5 - midway down on the Open Items page <http://sbiii.com/limpopen.html> (also so noted on Mystery Foto #11 post of 19 Mar 2018).  Sam, III

From Updated: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Hike” VI: Broad Hollow Road

Found my “missing” Maxess pix from 2004/5 - midway down on the Open Items page <http://sbiii.com/limpopen.html>.  Sam, III

From Mystery Foto #11 Solved: Sammy on the Ezekiel Smith Farmway Bridge in Melville

Femenias’ Findings added to last week’s Mystery Foto.

From Updated: Mystery Foto #14 Solved: The Northern State Parkway Under Construction in 1932

TA, RA!  My page 8 is now restored, covering the Mineola-Carle Place segment; including 284 Rudolph Road, the MIneola Lodge, in 2000, as is my Central Nassau continuation Page 1, covering Russell and Old Country Roads in 2004.  WHEW!  (Some of the thumbnails are still awful but the pix behind them are good and I’m not up to redoing the t/ns yet).  On to Hike VII! 

http://sbiii.com/limpkwy8.html

http://sbiii.com/limpcns1.html

Sam, II

From Updated: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Hike” VI: Broad Hollow Road

My partners & I have a bar in San Francisco that is Named ‘Capt. EDDIE RICKENBACKERS A.E.F.’
We have been collecting his memorabilia over the years & are looking for any prints or footage that may be put on display.
I thoroughly enjoyed scrolling through the 1915 exposition footage.
We also have a restaurant named Chief Sullivan’s after the Fire Chief Dennis Sullivan who perished in the great disaster of 1906.
I’m proud to honor the memories of heroes from our past & will do all I can to preserve & protect their legacy.
Karl Vincent
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Howard Kroplick

Karl, please let me know which “Ace of Aces” images that you like and I will send you copies. My email is .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) .

From Newsreel "1915 Vanderbilt Cup Race"

Dan- I have the top of the Searingtown arch (bridge) at 60’ away from IU Willets center to center. A closer look here of the bridge.

http://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/blog/article/long_island_motor_parkway_bridge_series19_i.u._willets_road_motor_parkway_b

Haven’t yet explored the RoW dirt path section but it looks promising. I believe the parkway on the Sugar Maple side rests on the house’s foundations and not in their backyards. Definitely worth a closer look there as well. 

From Updated: Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Hike” VI: Broad Hollow Road

Adding to the mystery, the photo was taken in July with dense foliage, where one can’t see the Motor Pkwy east (or west) of New Hyde Park Rd heading towards the Old Courthouse Rd bridge, except the area that was cleared for 3003 NHP Rd construction.

From Updated: Mystery Foto #14 Solved: The Northern State Parkway Under Construction in 1932

Tricky mystery. Attached is my two cents. Awesome photo Art, keep ‘em coming

From Updated: Mystery Foto #14 Solved: The Northern State Parkway Under Construction in 1932