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The six Vanderbilt Cup Races held on Long Island from 1904 to 1910 were the greatest sporting events of their day, and the first international automobile road races held in the United States. The races had a far-reaching impact on the development of American automobiles and parkways. This site provides comprehensive information on the races, the Long Island Motor Parkway and current Long Island automotive events, car shows and news.
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O. K.; I give up! Marcus is divided at lower right but WHAT is the divided highway below (west of) the broad belt of trees at near-upper right (2/3 to 3/4 of the way up), starting at a large white rectangle on the right margin, please? Sam, III
From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: An Aerial of Glen Oaks and Lake Success Taken in 1929
Marcus Ave after Lakeville Rd can not be seen in the originally posted Mystery Foto. It is off to the right hand side. Marcus Ave can be seen in the expanded view photo which was later posted. The road displayed on the photo is a single lane road and not a divided highway. You can refer back to the 1939 Dolph and Stewart map and the 1927 E. Belcher Hyde map. I.U Willets Rd can be observed branching off to right at a wye just as Rt. 25D starts.
From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: An Aerial of Glen Oaks and Lake Success Taken in 1929
The road in the upper portion of the photo is New State Road or the old NYS Route 25D. This road is on the right of way of the present LIE. The road was decommissioned when the LIE was built. The future ROW of the Northern State on the top of the photo can not be seen, it would be off the photo on the right. The correct date of the photo would be 1929 as stated.
From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: An Aerial of Glen Oaks and Lake Success Taken in 1929
David, I agree with the triangular tree patch but my thoughts on Smith bridge was always focused on those two open planting patches, north and south of the LIMP. He needed the bridge to connect. To me, 11 o’clock seems not related to Smith but 3 to 9 is. Perhaps I’m reading your msg wrong. It seems the Smith bridge was situated along the east side of both his properties.
Brian, you’re in deep here.
From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: An Aerial of Glen Oaks and Lake Success Taken in 1929
I meant Lake Surprise, not Success. As to the dating, I refer to the dual highway at right center, not in the foreground. If it’s not NSP, then what is it? Was Marcus once divided between Lakeville and NHP Road? It wasn’t so in your 1955 aerial. Oh, my gosh; it IS now! Sorry ‘bout that. Marcus it is and ‘29 it may well be. Sam, III
From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: An Aerial of Glen Oaks and Lake Success Taken in 1929
Howard, the “expanded view of the aerial” that you added with Monday nights reveal showing the Vanderbilt Farmways bridge, also shows the northwest bulkhead/retaining wall (bright white) of the Smith Farmways bridge. I believe what seems to appear as a triangular patch of trees immediately to the south (pic right) of LIMP there, is really just a narrow north-south strip of trees on either side of the Smith road basically on the ramp/grade from it?? Also possibly the Smith property line as I believe the oval field above it (orientated in this pic pointing roughly between 11 to 5 o’clock) is not Smith’s?? By-the-way, that field is completely grown over with trees (woods/forest) by the 1950’s.
From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: An Aerial of Glen Oaks and Lake Success Taken in 1929
Howard….Did the Lake Success Hotel and Cottage ( Blog Date 8/27/2012 ) eventually become the Deepdale Golf Club? And then Village Club at Lake Success/Lake Success Village Office.
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Howard Kroplick:
Brian, excellent question! Will need further research.
From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: An Aerial of Glen Oaks and Lake Success Taken in 1929
Lake Success - of course! Wasn’t the third one Little Lake Success (that just came back to me) - anyone? Now, I have a real problem with 1929 date. Moses only announced the beginning of construction of NSP in Mar 1931! The divided highway in the distance can only be the NSP, so 1929 just doesn’t fly. Worse yet, funding for that segment (Lakeville to Willis) wasn’t even approved until 1932 and it didn’t open until 15 Jul 1933, so 1932 is the earliest possible year. Spoilsport Sam (III)
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Sam III, the 1929 date was captioned on the reverse side of the original aerial. I don’t believe the road in the foreground is the Northern State Parkway. I thought it may be I.U. Willets Road.
From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: An Aerial of Glen Oaks and Lake Success Taken in 1929
The photo is taken over Glen Oaks looking towards the northeast and looking at Lake Success.
The main roads in the photo are Lakeville Rd, I.U. Willets Rd, New State Rd (old NY25D ), and the LIMP.
You can observe Willie K’s Deepdale Mansion , the Great Neck Lodge and the Glen Oaks hotel.
The 2 golf courses are Deepdale and Glen Oaks.
The Lake is Lake Success
The LIMP is in the right hand corner with the Lakeville RD bridge and the Great Neck Lodge.
The 1905 and 1906 Vanderbilt Cup races were held on Lakeville Rd and I.U. Willets Rd.
Willie K’s Deepdale mansion is seen in the photo and the golf courses were constructed on his property. He started the Deepdale club in 1924.
I would say the photo was taken around 1927- 1930.
From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: An Aerial of Glen Oaks and Lake Success Taken in 1929
How neat that the LIRR would “tow” your car if necessary.
From Ads From the Long Island Automobile Club 1902 Offical Program "One-Hundred Mile Endurance Test"
Looks like they were enjoying early Spring Friday and I guess had the buck for the private road. Wonder what they drove? With the leather jackets I’m thinking something open.
From Three Friends Hanging Out at the Motor Parkway Entrance on Springfield Boulevard, Queens in 1931
Lake Success looking NNE, with Queens/Nassau County line slightly diagonal at center of photo. Willie K’s Deepdale Estate at bottom center. Today, Robert Moses’ GCP/NSP runs along right side of the lake and cuts through the estate, also location of today’s North Shore Towers. LIE today on left side of lake. Lakeville Road above the lake, and a smidgen of Motor Pkwy on center right side of photo, curving over Lakeville Road heading East, once location of the Motor Parkway’s Western Terminus in 1911. North Shore Towers Country Golf Club (Glen Oaks Country Club) on the right side, Lake Success Golf Club (Deepdale Country Club) on the left. Willie K was President of the Motor Parkway and Vanderbilt Cup Races. Photo was taken between 1912-1931, after the LIMP’s extension west from Lakeville Rd, and before construction of the GCP in 1931. LIE construction did not appear here until 1954-58
From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: An Aerial of Glen Oaks and Lake Success Taken in 1929
The Bulgari’s car collection has some 120 ordinary cars, yours is historic.
From Chrysler's Chrysler a Hit at the 2017 Hershey AACA Meet
My favorite Mysterys, Aerials!
*Location/Orientation of Aerial: Bird’s Eyeview of Glen Oaks ( Queens ), & Lake Success ( Nassau ).
*Key Rds./Buildings: Small section of the LIMP, Lakeville Rd., and Marcus Ave. Lake Success Hotel on N/S of lake. Deepdale Mansion on S/S of lake. Excellant view of Glen Oaks Clubhouse, south of Marcus Ave.
*Golf Courses: Deepdale and Glen Oaks.
*Lakes: Lake Success
*Aerial’s relation to LIMP: Parkway is evident 1/3 down on right ( Heading west and south over Lakeville Rd ).
*Aerial’s relation to VCR’s: Lakeville Rd was part of the 1906 race.
*Aerial’s relation to W.K.V. Jr.: LIMP, Deepdale Golf Course and Mansion.
Aerial’s year: No Northern State Pkwy and LIE. I’ll guess 1930.
From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: An Aerial of Glen Oaks and Lake Success Taken in 1929
Looking east at Lake Success about 1928.
Glen Oaks Golf course and clubhouse at bottom.
LIMP running diagonally past clubhouse lower left to top.
Vanderbilt’s Deepdale estate at top right.
From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: An Aerial of Glen Oaks and Lake Success Taken in 1929
That’s how I remembered the Chrysler’s Chrysler in person, the paint job was exquisite, resembling deep tinted glass or black mirror. Beautiful work restoring this automobile, congrats gentlemen!
From Chrysler's Chrysler a Hit at the 2017 Hershey AACA Meet
Was there, Howard thanks for posting the Nicola Bulgari’s car collection website, remember reading something about it some time ago, met a member of the restoration staff of the collection with one of a number Bugrari’s cars that was at the meet from Allentown. With some 1500 on car show field plus the car corral stuff, no need for any local car show to go to.
From Chrysler's Chrysler a Hit at the 2017 Hershey AACA Meet
Whoops! Missed a tiny smitch of the LIMP at far right immediately above (E of) Lakeville Road. Sam, III
From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: An Aerial of Glen Oaks and Lake Success Taken in 1929
Far too many questions for my feeble brain. It’s almost certainly Lake Success looking ENE from over today’s Douglaston GC. If you think I can find my references to the two smaller lakes, whose names are right at the tip of my tongue, fuhgedaboudit! The then-new NSP, 15 Jul. 1933, runs off into the distance at upper right and Marcus Avenue runs E-W across the lower right corner, bordering the Glen Oaks G&CC;. Lakeville Road bisects the image horizontally (N-S). The white blob at upper right just below (W of) Lakeville Road is Willie K’s house. The large cluster of buildings at bottom center is the Glen Oaks clubhouse. ‘Nuf! Sam, III
From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: An Aerial of Glen Oaks and Lake Success Taken in 1929
Howard, I’m no 1937 Chrysler specialist but it seems to me that Bulgari’s car is “only” an Imperial 8 and yours is a Custom Imperial 8. Sam, III
From Chrysler's Chrysler a Hit at the 2017 Hershey AACA Meet
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