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The wooden buildings seen in the general vicinity of what would become the Parade Grounds / Quad are neatly divided by the newer section of New York Street that Frank refers to. 

Buildings to the North of NY St. are neatly bordered by Miller Avenue while those to the South of NY St. are just as sharply partitioned by Davis Ave., running parallel along the Flight Line.

It is not out of the realm of possibility that when Miller and Davis were constructed, NY St. may have been widened and/or repaved, consistent with Miller and Davis.

As for the discontinuity of New York Street to the West of that area, it would seem unlikely the two segments were not the same roadway at one time.  They simply line up too perfectly to have been two discreet roads.  The only question mark is if the Eastern portion went by a different name for which I can find no evidence.

From Update #2: In Search of the Mystery Camp Mills "New York" Road

Frank - looks just as much like the Mineola Main Line bridge or the Roslyn/Williston Oyster Bay Branch bridge - see <http://sbiii.com/limpbrdg.html#rrbridgs>.  We’d have to count ribs or girders.  Sam, III

From Surveyor Clinton Robertson Photo Album: The Construction Equipment of the Long Island Motor Parkway

A few follow up thoughts:

1) Judging by the modern day map of Mitchel Field, I would have guessed New York Street would have been opposite Chestnut Street in East Garden City (which was Frank’s initial guess back in September), not Locust Street.  Similarly, I would have also guessed that Main Street through Camp Mills aligned directly with Locust Street.

2) It is possible the picture postcard of the entrance to Camp Mills at New York Street and Clinton Road at the Garden City Library, the source of the reference to Locust Street to the bottom left may be incorrect.

3) Bill Bellmer’s posting of the 1918 map shows New York Street crossing Eastward beyond Ave. ‘E’ (later, Oak Street) [just to the left of the two staples on the right] with no indication of the roadway changing its name heading toward the Polo Grounds. 

4) In any event, I think it’s safe to conclude New York Street continued at least as far East as West Road, which was as far East as Camp Mills extended (Mitchel Field and Camp Mills overlapped between Oak Street and West Road). 

5) In all my years of research, I have never found any evidence to suggest an alternate name for New York Street as it veered Eastward past West Road.  Can anyone provide a street map from the post 1919 decommissioning of Camp Mills and the pre 1927 Base Reconfiguration of Mitchel Field?  Calling Bill Bellmer!

From Update #2: In Search of the Mystery Camp Mills "New York" Road

Aw shucks Frank, Brian and I went today instead (Sat). Something came up for Sunday. We avoided the cloverleaves and concentrated the woods south of the LIE service road and west of Shinbone. All we found was one small chunk of limp concrete on the south. They pretty much wiped the slate clean during hwy construction. We also completed the Bagatelle tour and found more posts. Will send Howard all findings and their locations once I gather it all together. More tours coming up in the near future….

From Update: Pilgrim State Hospital Complex and the Motor Parkway in 1938

These construction photos are incredible!

From Surveyor Clinton Robertson Photo Album: The Construction Equipment of the Long Island Motor Parkway

I remember as a kid there was WW1 liberty truck restored in the Gulf oil livery . On the ATHS site someone posted a picture of what’s left of it, not much pretty sad. Are there any photos of it,or specs. I would like to know the history of it for my own curiosity. I just remember she looked grand when I saw it in the museum. Thank you sir

From Never Before Published Photos of the Long Island Automotive Museum

Frank, that sounds great.  What time are you going meet?  I’ll see if I can make it.

From Update: Pilgrim State Hospital Complex and the Motor Parkway in 1938

Update #2: Frank Femenias has added an analysis of a 1926 aerial to the post.

From Update #2: In Search of the Mystery Camp Mills "New York" Road

That’s the number 12 Locomobile with driver Joe Tracy and mechanician Al Poole during the 1906 American Elimination Trial race which took place on September 22, 1906. The Locomobile headquarters was Maple Cottage on Lakeville Road in Lakeville which is today’s Lake Success.

From Mystery Foto #51 Solved: Tracy and Poole Changing A Tire During the 1906 American Elimination Race

Growing up in the Merrick area, very cool to see this photos of way before my time. As a car enthusiast now, would have been very cool to still have a raceway right up the road!

From Long Island Motor Parkway Bridge Series #34: The Merrick Avenue Bridge in Westbury/East Meadow

-Identify the racer, driver and mechanician
#12 Locomobile driven by Joe Tracy, Al Poole mechanician, 90 HP. Finished 1st. Joe Tracy encountered a setback when his Locomobile suffered a flat tire and had to stop at the Diamond tire depot near the hairpin turn in Old Westbury.

-Identify the race and date of the photo
1906 American Elimination Trials-Date: Saturday, September 22, 1906

Kudos question: Where was the headquarters for this racer and its team?
For the1905 and 1906 races, the Locomobile team from nearby Bridgeport, Connecticut set up their headquarters at Maple Cottage, a farmhouse located in Lakeville (now Lake Success).

From Mystery Foto #51 Solved: Tracy and Poole Changing A Tire During the 1906 American Elimination Race

Although New York St is the best guess so far for Lee’s childhood street name, I’m not so sure. The 1926 aerial shows remnants of Camp Mill structures in between New York St and Lee’s Unknown Road, severing a continuous roadway. Were both roadways named the same? Possibly, but Lee’s neighborhood roadways seem of newer construction and could’ve taken on a different name. Mitchel Field would be reconfigured one year later from this photo. Howard, sending more aerials. What fun!

From Update #2: In Search of the Mystery Camp Mills "New York" Road

Update: A few corrections made to the post.

From Update #2: In Search of the Mystery Camp Mills "New York" Road

Check out this:  https://lrv.nassaucountyny.gov/ 

Year 1926 Aerial:  New York St. and surrounding areas in their former glory.

Year 1950 Aerial:  Homes established between Clinton Rd and Oak St. Then it literally looks like a GIANT puzzle piece was removed between Oak St., LIRR, Merrick Ave., and Hempstead Tpke. Most of us know why this area was in it’s then state, but still interesting to view.

We all know what’s here now 😊

From Update #2: In Search of the Mystery Camp Mills "New York" Road

Love these old photos, each unique with its own story to tell for generations to come. Could the second photo be the longest bridge over Central Ave, Bethpage? The girder appears the correct length compared to other images of the bridge

From Surveyor Clinton Robertson Photo Album: The Construction Equipment of the Long Island Motor Parkway

Excellent coverage of the area Frank. I find sometimes remnant debris left behind after highway construction in the inactive areas. Was hoping for original LIMP concrete in the photo that is located along the outskirts of the highway construction site. Planning on visiting this area on Sunday after the rain. The more eyes the better

From Update: Pilgrim State Hospital Complex and the Motor Parkway in 1938

Great images as always!

From Surveyor Clinton Robertson Photo Album: The Construction Equipment of the Long Island Motor Parkway

I explored the ROW west from Wicks Rd along the LIE south service roads. I continued thru the LIE cloverleaves up to the area around the Motor Parkway and Shinbone lane, all with negative results. I did not find any signs of remnants of the LIMP.  I plan to return to the area and explore further for any remnants.  I believe that they removed most of remnants when they built the Sagtikos Parkway and later the LIE.  I hope that there are some remnants there which I originally did not find.

From Update: Pilgrim State Hospital Complex and the Motor Parkway in 1938

Nice work. Would be a fun adventure to walk these sites with all of the knowledgeable members pointing out just where roads, bridges, buildings and other landmarks once stood.

From Update #2: In Search of the Mystery Camp Mills "New York" Road

After looking at your new LIMP map, Frank; I now realize there’s the original Pkwy just south and perhaps beneath the eastbound service rd.of LIE for a short stretch to Wicks Rd. Don’t think we’ll be needing Sam’s magnetometer to locate 😊

From Update: Pilgrim State Hospital Complex and the Motor Parkway in 1938