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From Then & Now: The Home of Driver Foxhall Keene in Old Westbury

When did they strip off all the growth that used to cover most of the road there? When I was there in 2007 or so it was hard to find much pavement. That section looks great!

From Then & Now: The Roslyn Lodge and the Motor Parkway Bridge over Roslyn Road

Hi Edith,
It was suggested that the two bridges in the mystery photo were once located in Bethpage Park, west of Broadhollow Road (Route 110). The Powell Avenue highway bridge and the Nibbe’s farmway bridge most likely, were the bridges portrayed in the photo. This stretch of Motor Parkway ran between today’s Powell Avenue and Revere Avenue, where Route 135’s southbound lanes are now located. I believe the farmway bridge noted by Mr. Schmidtt may be the Baker’s farmway bridge that was located 150 feet east of Maxess Road. The abutments of that bridge are still there. The Baker’s farmway bridge is also known as the Maxess Road bridge and is located between Republic Road and the Ruland Road Bridge. It would be surprising if another farmway bridge should pop up in this area. I have no doubt you must have seen Many changes there through the years from Long Island’s rapid growth.

From Mystery Foto #9 Possibly Solved: Powell Avenue Bridge and Nibbe Farmway Bridge in Bethpage?

I have pictures of interior. This was my grandparents house.  I have a few stories to tell! We had great fun there as children.

From Then & Now: The Home of Driver Foxhall Keene in Old Westbury

Gentlemen…
As I understand the presentment:  this view is purported to be somewhere to the East of the Broad Hollow Road bridge (Route 110) and Pinelawn/ColonialSprings Rd., with the responses, unfortunately going all over the place.  Therefore, I would suggest that the general location of these bridges be again defined.
Mr Schmitt (who I referred to previously) had written of a farmway bridge somewhere in the vicinity of Republic and Ruland Rds.  As it happens,Mr. Schmitt’s parents farm (I am 75 and he was about, what, 70) was behind ours, and although he said that his parents’ farm went to Ruland Rd, well, not quite, as that farm was owned by the Nohiels, Schmitts’ farm being between Noheils’ and the deLalio’s farms.  So, if you will kindly restate the general location (East or West of 110… or what have you), those of us of a certain age still living should be able to identify where the bridges are (the LILCO power lines shown (if in this area) being Norht of the L.I.M.P.).
Edith

From Mystery Foto #9 Possibly Solved: Powell Avenue Bridge and Nibbe Farmway Bridge in Bethpage?

Sam, previously I was looking in this area as well. Do you recall there being two bridges near Northcote Dr? The reason I ask is because the Motor pkwy Atlas shows only one, Little East Neck Road Bridge, a pkwy bridge that should be ruled out because the limp ‘hilled’ over the road. But, while checking this area in Historic Aerials, I spotted what appears to be a highway bridge immediately south of the Little East Neck Rd Bridge, where it curves slightly to the left with the limp passing under it, just like the distant bridge in the mystery photo. There are no records of this bridge but if you zoom in on the 1953 Historic Aerial in this area, it looks much like a hwy bridge with 45degree white abutments and all. Then more convincing, I spotted what looks like another hwy bridge about quarter mile south of there from a different aerial, a1938 Stony Brook Univ aerial photo from their website. The Atlas doesn’t indicate this bridge either but there are markings on the Atlas tagged with numbers (e.g. 18, 19-omitted) where those bridges appeared in the aerials. The latest entries I’ve found on the Atlas so far are dated to 1930, leaving 8 years of undocumented growth or change to the Limp. But also to keep in mind that the limp was financially struggling much of its life that growth most likely didn’t occur anywhere on the pkwy. They even bypassed the limp in the Alley Pond corridor at Bell Blvd over existing railroad abutments to save money. In the mystery photo, though of poor quality, peering through the distant bridge appears to be Deadman’s Curve #2, starting with a left bank, and then veering to the right with its white guard rail posts. Howard, is there any info on those numerical markings on the Atlas? Also, where in the world is CSI?

From Mystery Foto #9 Possibly Solved: Powell Avenue Bridge and Nibbe Farmway Bridge in Bethpage?

The driver is Joe Dawson. During the 1914 Indianapolis 500 Mile race he was involved in an accident, causing a broken collar bone. I don’t know why he uses the walking-stick, maybe he suffered from other minor injuries?
The year of the first photo (with the car before the mansion) I would estimate as 1910, but unfortunately the most important half of the car is missing, so for the make I must pass ...
P.S. I have to admit that I always find myself an intruder in someone’s private life with this kind of family photos!

From Mystery Foto #10 Solved: Family Photos of Driver Joe Dawson

Further to my earlier comment “Confusing indeed…” (April 10th @ 8:53 AM)  Recalling an earlier comment (but unrelated to this) by Mr Schmidt (I believe) as to a farmway bridge in the area (not Maxess Rd), I will take a shot and say that these farmway bridges—East of Broad Hollow Rd bridge, are the Maxess Rd bridge and the farmway bridge previously cited by Mr. Schmidt.  In any case, I am certain that the answer will surprise us all.
And, as I have previously said, since I lived on a small farm just South of Ruland Rd on East side of Broad Hollow Rd, being the first property on the Huntington sdier nof the Town Line, any period fotos that members might have will certainly bring back fond memories for this septuagenarian… please.
Edith

From Mystery Foto #9 Possibly Solved: Powell Avenue Bridge and Nibbe Farmway Bridge in Bethpage?

Congratulations Jason and Tracy. You guys are going in style! Only the best.

From Jason and Tracy Owen Celebrate Their Wedding

Folks, please reread my earlier comments and either consider them or refute them.  Sam, III

From Mystery Foto #9 Possibly Solved: Powell Avenue Bridge and Nibbe Farmway Bridge in Bethpage?

This is adorable, what a GREAT idea!!!!

From Jason and Tracy Owen Celebrate Their Wedding

I’m not sure which two bridges these are, but I’m sure we are looking to the east, west of route 110. Take a look at the shadows of the the white post and rail fence to the right of the picture. The light from sun the would be coming from a south/soutwest direction, which would have to mean we are looking to the east. The instructions on the bridge, “No parking west of the Huntington Lodge”, would mean that the photo was taken west of route 110.

From Mystery Foto #9 Possibly Solved: Powell Avenue Bridge and Nibbe Farmway Bridge in Bethpage?

Same goes for me Howard. Be seeing you and the Black Beast on Sunday

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Thankyou for comforting me, Frank lol. Initially, I figured either you or Howard already knew the answer for this area. But I. guess it,s a mystery. to all. It looks like your on the right track. I’d like to think that the various farmers in the area would charge for parking around their properties. Or maybe they requested signs to be posted to plain keep cars away from their fields.

From Mystery Foto #9 Possibly Solved: Powell Avenue Bridge and Nibbe Farmway Bridge in Bethpage?

Congratulations Howard! Your site is still one of my favorite projects and so great to see it getting public recognition. Good luck!

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Congratulations! And well deserved, for sure. I checked upon your competitors, but this site is certainly the best!!

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Ron, thanks. Look forward to seeing you on Saturday.

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Confusing indeed… especially from one who lived in the area, and although a bit on in years, I still remember the LIMP as going over Ruland Rd (not the other way around), especially if at that time anyone else can recall Ruland Rd.  But, if I understand correctly, the bridges—both of them, carry local roads over the LIMP; tyherefore, if it can’t be the Ruland Rd bridge, then it must be one or other on or about where Baylis, Duryea, Ruland, Pinelawn, Colonial Springs come together?

From Mystery Foto #9 Possibly Solved: Powell Avenue Bridge and Nibbe Farmway Bridge in Bethpage?

Exactly Howard, that picture of Nibbes farmway bridge looking south resembles the bridge in the mystery photo that is in the distance. I have suspicion that the “no parking” signs were intended mostly for the park visitors as parking was not yet available for motorists, the car was in its infancy and parking lots were yet to be created. I’d guess they were advertising “no parking” in this open corner area of the park, right on Deadman’s #3, where the signs would be viewable from many angles and adjacent to the golf course. The Plainview bridge, being 3.4mi away from the lodge, would have been an hour’s walk to the park. But they were “illegally” parking west of the lodge, somewhere in the sand pit area, that would have made the walk to the park even shorter. This open corner area of the park, with farmland all around and no obstructions in the way, would have made the opposite facing signs at 90 degrees very visible. Just a thought. http://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/images/blog/03-26-2008-20-00-49-552_edited-3.jpg

From Mystery Foto #9 Possibly Solved: Powell Avenue Bridge and Nibbe Farmway Bridge in Bethpage?

Hi Howard:  Another mark on your resume of life and most deserving !!!!!
            C O N G R A T S   on the nomination and hope you win !!!!

    I hope to see you at our ALPCA-LI meet this coming Saturday at the Elks Lodge
in Massapequa…..  Best For Now and CHEERS To you !!!!    Ron
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