Vanderbilt Cup Races

My guess would be the Bethpage Bikeway before they uncovered it and restored it. The last picture lookd down from an embankment at the guys, maybe the old botto bridge ? Wooden post had an eyelet through it, not necessarily a guard rail, but an outer fence to keep motorists seperate from the farm. Purely a guess since theyre deep in the woods.

From Mystery Foto #57 Solved: Sam Berliner III and Al Velocci in Battle Row in Old Bethpage

Battle Row Camp grounds across from Old Bethpage Village Restoration

From Mystery Foto #57 Solved: Sam Berliner III and Al Velocci in Battle Row in Old Bethpage

The Boundary markers at Old Bethpage Village Restoration area?

From Mystery Foto #57 Solved: Sam Berliner III and Al Velocci in Battle Row in Old Bethpage

Battleground Row.  East of Round Swamp Road, before the LIMP passes into what is now Old Bethpage Restoration.  The posts are the original LIMP wooden posts, which predate the cement posts that are still found on some of the old right of way.

From Mystery Foto #57 Solved: Sam Berliner III and Al Velocci in Battle Row in Old Bethpage

Wait a minute now, come to think of it. I wasn’t even driving yet , so it had to be in the 50s. I started driving in 1957

From Roslyn Times:"Kroplick to speak at Landmark Society" at 7:45pm, Tonight at Atria of Roslyn

Art:  Possibly W. Wiggli’s Salon or Niggli’s. My initial search of Sing Lee’s laundry had sent me to Los Angeles and quickly gave up.

Howard:  I sent a sister photograph of this one that may help determine location.

Very interesting story about this 250hp monster and amazed how quickly it was scrapped!
Thanks to all for sharing.

Frank

From Mystery Foto #56 Solved: Paul Sartori in Alfred Gwynne Vanderbilt's 250-HP Custom Built F.I.A.T.

Your presentation last night brought back many memories to me when I was younger in the late 60s and early 70s. I remembered a few things about Port Washington when visiting my relatives, also in Sands Point. My Dad had business friends there and they showed us around the private areas, so I’ve seen a lot of what’s in your book. You certainly keep L.I. alive any way you can. I’m really going to enjoy this book, and I’m not one to read a book, they bore me, but not this one, it’s something I’m interested in and can relate to

From Roslyn Times:"Kroplick to speak at Landmark Society" at 7:45pm, Tonight at Atria of Roslyn

Looking at the signs on the building one obviously is Sing Lee Laundry - an internet search found a1903 listing of establishments having been inspected by the NYS Dept. of Labor with two Sing Lee Laundrys in NY County - one at 318 W. 16th Street and one at 7 St. Marks Place (aka E. 8th Street).  Anyone able to decipher the sign at the left of that - best I can make out is ??gglis and possibly “bungalow”?  More work to be done.

From Mystery Foto #56 Solved: Paul Sartori in Alfred Gwynne Vanderbilt's 250-HP Custom Built F.I.A.T.

Weather permitting I’ll see you

From Roslyn Times:"Kroplick to speak at Landmark Society" at 7:45pm, Tonight at Atria of Roslyn

Willis Avenue at Mineola RR Crossing as opposed to Main Street Mineola RR would be a better guess, since it travels through to Jericho Tpk.

From Mystery Foto #55 Solved: Walter Christie Driving the #9 Christie in Mineola on September 21,1906

Great letter.  And that Packard is amazing looking!

Ron

From Exclusive Firsthand Account of the 1904 Vanderbilt Cup Race: "A Very Successful Trip"

1906, Paul Sartori driving Alfred Gwynne Vanderbilt’s (Willie K’s cousin) 250hp racer. Location could be NYC’s Hells Kitchen near 368 W 53st. based on the address on the horse drawn buggy.

From Mystery Foto #56 Solved: Paul Sartori in Alfred Gwynne Vanderbilt's 250-HP Custom Built F.I.A.T.

From Ariejan Bos:

I enjoyed very much the eyewitness report letter. Through these documents the events, which seem so far away in time, come really close to us.

From Exclusive Firsthand Account of the 1904 Vanderbilt Cup Race: "A Very Successful Trip"

From Linda C.

What an interesting letter from 1904 “ A Very Successful Trip”. I enjoyed that

From Exclusive Firsthand Account of the 1904 Vanderbilt Cup Race: "A Very Successful Trip"

Have to give up on this one.
It looks to be Alessandro Cagno, but he only paticipated in one Cup race and not two as suggested by the photo caption. That’s also certainly not the #12 Itala he drove in the V.C.R.- but the car does look like it could possibly be Italian made.
I’ve even searched through many G.G. Bain photo archival websites and can’t seem to find a match there either.

From Mystery Foto #56 Solved: Paul Sartori in Alfred Gwynne Vanderbilt's 250-HP Custom Built F.I.A.T.

Driver is Paul Sartori, who participated in the 1904 (finishing 16th in #10) and 1905 (finishing 7th in #20) Vanderbilt Cup Races driving Fiats.

The following was taken from Robert Dick’s book titled “Auto Racing Comes of Age”.  The car in the photo was built by Sartori and French engineer Francious Richard in the autumn of 1905 for use in the early 1906 Ormand Beach race.  It was owned by Alfred Gwynn Vanderbilt Jr., cousin of Willie K. at a cost of $19,000 and built in Alfred’s garage in NYC.  Built with 2 Fiat engines in tandem it was said to have 250 hp and to be “the highest-powered car in the world”. 

Unfortunately after being transported to Florida for the race it practically didn’t move at all and Vanderbilt withdrew it from the race.  It was shipped back to the NYC garage “dismantled and left for the scrap”. 

Howard - see my e-mail to you with a couple of short articles about the the car from its time. 

From Mystery Foto #56 Solved: Paul Sartori in Alfred Gwynne Vanderbilt's 250-HP Custom Built F.I.A.T.

From Tom M:

I just want to let you know how much I have continued to enjoy this site.

Thanks for not only keeping it up, but for adding cool new things to it all the time!

From Exclusive Firsthand Account of the 1904 Vanderbilt Cup Race: "A Very Successful Trip"

From Cyril Smith:

There are three rail lines pictured in your Mystery Photo, as Bill Bellmer indicated this is Garden City Hilton Ave. The third line (foreground ) is trolley line spur between GC station Franklin Ave trolley

Note pix taken 1/2 block away from GC Hotel, likely where team was staying. GC had a women’s bicycle club at the time

From Mystery Foto #55 Solved: Walter Christie Driving the #9 Christie in Mineola on September 21,1906

Thanks for the very quick response

From Chrysler’s Chrysler Chronicle VII: Getting Primed For The Finish

Ted, just visited the car today. There will be an update on the website later this week.

From Chrysler’s Chrysler Chronicle VII: Getting Primed For The Finish