Vanderbilt Cup Races

Yes you’re right about that Frank and I really don’t like how the headlights are, they just don’t look right to me, the shape of them, it seems to me that they wouldn’t give out the right kind of light, because of there shape.

From Exclusive Photos: The Mustang II Prototype Concept Car Making Its Debut at the Watkins Glen in 1963

Phil and I are patiently waiting to know about those few things that we asked about,just curious,no rush.Might it be to jack up the car to change the tires?

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Those two ‘stangs are hot to handle, but still convinced that Mustang II’s front end had some influence in AMC’s Matador design of the ‘70s, though they’re indiscreetly different somehow.

From Exclusive Photos: The Mustang II Prototype Concept Car Making Its Debut at the Watkins Glen in 1963

Cool stuff Howard. Is that Grand Prix missing the PMD center rim attachment in the front?

From Ultimate Car Trivia Part I

Who can we call to get a 1969 Grand Prix remake for today’s market ? Style with a capital S !!

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I’m going to like this a lot,being I have an interest in cars along with the rest of you guys.I knew about the 1953 corvette only having a white exterior,does include the interior too?

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Very Cool post.

Hunting for hidden Vanderbilt Parkway is a great thing. Thanks for the post!
Creedmoor section is legit—- good pics.

Definitely not Queens Cty Farm Museum, but rather Greem Meadow Farm - southern portion. It’s still pretty evident where road runs at that point. I dont know that that pic is, just neatly arranged random rocks it seems.

WORLD SERIES GAME ONE!!!! I still cant believe they are in it.

From Remnants of Long Island Motor Parkway Discovered in Queens

the red car is a 1964 Mercury

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Is that red one an Imperial?

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Whowee,who me?,I hope I can keep it up

From Mystery Foto #43 Solved: The Start of the 1909 Wheatley Sweepstakes

The LIMP ROW did not run through any part of the Queens County Farm Museum, but along the southern border of Green Meadow Farm’s parking lot, which is directly across Little Neck Parkway from 74th Ave.

From Remnants of Long Island Motor Parkway Discovered in Queens

Identify the race cars and the drivers
#32 - Marmon driven by Ray Harroun
#31 - Marion driven by A. Monson
#34 (possibly the one behind #32 by looking at another photo found elsewhere) - Moon driven by Phillip Wells
#33 - (possibly the one behind #31 as only 4 cars entered the race) - Columbia driven by W.R. Wilcox

Identify the race in which these drivers were competing
1909 Wheatley Hills Sweepstake

What was the greatest accomplishment among these drivers?
The winner of the Wheatley Hills Sweepstake, Ray Harroun, also was the first Indy 500 winner two years later in 1911.

Identify one or more of the officials
William Vanderbilt Jr. and possibly one or more of these other 1909 race officials :
Elbert H. Gary, Colgate Hoyt, Harry Paine Whitney, William P. Hamilton, Henry Sanderson, Mortimer Shiff, H. Hollins, Dave Morris and Henry Anderson.

From Mystery Foto #43 Solved: The Start of the 1909 Wheatley Sweepstakes

It appears to be the S/F line area of the 1910 Vanderbilt Cup Race.

The #31 should be Disbrow in a National, starting 29th and Belcher in the #32 in a Knox starting 30th.

As far as accomplishments, Disbrow in 1911 won the last Philadelphia Fairmount Park race also in a National and if I recall reworked the Pope-Hartford into the Pope Hummer…..then left.

Belcher had the less stellar career of the two, but both competed in the 1911 Indy 500.

Officials…...I’m guessing that’s Willie K at the LF tire of the #32.

From Mystery Foto #43 Solved: The Start of the 1909 Wheatley Sweepstakes

Ok Howard,but what’s are,I think are two objects on the running board?,is it part of the car?,do they belong there,obviously they do,if you have them there,but never displayed them,that I know of and are only for display,not permanent. Thanks in advance for your answer

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-Identify the race cars and the drivers
#32 Marmon driven by Ray Harroun. Finished 1st completing all 15 laps.
#31 Marion driven by A. Monsen. Finished 3rd completing 8 laps.

-Identify the race in which these drivers were competing
1909 Wheatley Hills Sweepstakes

-What was the greatest acomplishment among these drivers?
Ray Harroun was the winner of the first Indy 500 Race driving a Marmon to victory in 1911.

-Identify one or more of the officials
The person looking down at the ground looks to be A.R. Pardington.

From Mystery Foto #43 Solved: The Start of the 1909 Wheatley Sweepstakes

I’m still very curious about the absence of Chrysler’s side view mirrors and the moving of the front license plate from the left side to the right side.

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This photo shows the start of the Wheatley Hill Sweepstakes of 1909 with #32 the Marmon of Ray Harroun and with #31 the Marion of Adolph Monsen. This race for stock cars with engines from 231 to 300 cubic inches was run concurrently with the 1909 Vanderbilt Cup and was won by Harroun. Monsen retired after the 2nd round, when his car caught fire.
Ray Harroun would be the winner of course of the first official 500 Miles at the Indianapolis Speedway in 1911.
The name of Monsen caused some confusion with me, as the names of Monsen, Monson and Munson were used in different recent as well as contemporaneous reports. E.g. The Horseless Age of 1909 uses the name Munson in their race report, whereas Motor Age uses Monsen, evidently for the same driver. Monsen however seems to be most widely used, so I guess that must be the correct spelling.
On the left we see William Vanderbilt with his back turned towards us, on the left side of the car probably starter Fred Wagner.

From Mystery Foto #43 Solved: The Start of the 1909 Wheatley Sweepstakes

I like dogs, and Hupmobiles, but I’ve also owned and driven a 1933 Chrysler for 15 years, so kinda like them too. The Tatra is great, but this is a museum called AMERICA on Wheels, so guess the Tatra would not have been considered for the exhibit even if they could locate one. Unlike Sam, I am impressed.  Everyone has an opinion about what they would like to see presented, displayed, but when it comes down to organizing such an exhibit it takes a huge amount of planning and thought, (this comes from personal experience as a museum exhibits technician) and the ability to get car owners to lend their treasured machines for an extended period of time. I am looking forward to going to see the display when it is open.

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Oh, c’mon!  That ‘33 Hupp is a dog!  Any ‘33 Chrysler beats it for styling all hollow!  And there were many other cars better “stream-styled” than the Hupp.  Take the ‘33 Pierce-Arrow Silver Arrow or the ‘33 Tatra just for examples.  For 1934, you just can’t beat the Chrysler Airflow.  I am NOT impressed.  Still, really glad the cars (and the Mack, even though it’s not a Bulldog) are preserved and well housed.  Sam, III

From Hemmings.com: America on Wheels to Open Streamline Moderne/Art Deco Exhibit

This could be the Oct 30, 1909 Wheatley Hills Sweepstakes in Nassau County that had but four racers (#31, 32, 33, 34), with the winning #32 Marmon (Harroun/Heinemann) and 3rd place #31 Marion (Monsen/Hollenbaeck Jr.). Ray Harroun was the only driver to complete all 15 laps of 189.6 miles, averaging 59.7mph, and would later win the first Indy 500 (1911) in the Marmon Wasp, defeating the Black Beast. 100 years after that, the Black Beast (Fittipaldi/Kroplick) would get its revenge at Indy. That may be Willie K with his back turned.

From Mystery Foto #43 Solved: The Start of the 1909 Wheatley Sweepstakes