Vanderbilt Cup Races

Just to let you know about 1948 Tucker time period, in 1947 the all new Kaiser and the Studebaker came out with modern designs compared to the older post war cars of that time, in 1948 GM came out with the all new large body for Cadillac and Oldsmobile 98 (Buick postpone until 1949), then there’s was the sleek, step down 1948 Hudson, both had 2 piece curve windshield. The Tucker design was somewhat dated at the time.

From The 1948 Tuckers: The Cammack Collection

Darn it,I knew that was the 2nd dead mans curve the minute I saw it,I should have answered,well at least I know that I would have gotten that part right.

From Mystery Foto #48 Solved: Building the Long Island Motor Parkway Through the Stymus Farm in Bethpage

This looks familiar. I’ll give it a try:

Just north of Central Ave in Bethpage, we are looking south in this picture. Stymus family farm - small cemetery is now there.

I’m thinking pic must have been taken in 1909-1910 as this was being built. Strangely the parkway went west first (1909 Courthouse Rd) and then east (1910 Bethpage Restoration). So I’ll guess late 1909 / early 1910.

From Mystery Foto #48 Solved: Building the Long Island Motor Parkway Through the Stymus Farm in Bethpage

Bethpage facing west toward Nibbe’s Farm, probably 1907 just before it was completed in 1908. I think it is section 23, North of the Dead Man’s Curve and east of today’s Seaford Oyster Bay Expressway (looking from the Plainview Road Bridge area). The races were 1908, 1909 and 1910, which dumped off at Round Swamp Road before heading north onto local roads. The tree lines are still there, on the western side of the Seaford Oyster Bay Expressway.

From Mystery Foto #48 Solved: Building the Long Island Motor Parkway Through the Stymus Farm in Bethpage

Thanks for posting.  Seems quite a few major technical details remained to be resolved before it could have been sold.  I recall reading that Tucker had workers trying to recover old Cord parts for use.    With an additional 12 months of testing who knows what might have been.    Any thoughts on how the many Tuckers shown in the movie were obtained? I don’t think it was an illusion. 
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From Howard Kroplick:

Ken, according to IMB trivia about the film,  the “Tuckers” used in the film were replicas:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096316/trivia

However, this 2008 New York Time articles states that several original Tuckers were used in the film:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/29/automobiles/collectibles/29TUCKER.html

From The 1948 Tuckers: The Cammack Collection

Looks like Bethpage farmer Peter Nibbe’s (1847-1918) place and windmill in the back, late 1908 looking southwest. The LIMP roadway being built was used in the 1908-1910 Vanderbilt Cup and Sweepstake races, and is today located in Bethpage State Park (Central Park) where the bike path meets the curve under the power lines. The men working on the roadway further back after the curve is today’s southbound lanes on route 135. The photographer was standing on top of what’s to become the new Plainview Road bridge’s north abutment (no longer existing). Plainview Road was slightly relocated during Motor Parkway construction.

From Mystery Foto #48 Solved: Building the Long Island Motor Parkway Through the Stymus Farm in Bethpage

I was at the Hershey meet last year (great weather) this year didn’t go - rain, but last year my first stop was the AACA museum where the Tucker’s where, the museum is great, almost forgot to go to the car show that Saturday. Howard thanks for the narration of what I had saw. Mark

From The 1948 Tuckers: The Cammack Collection

From Robert R:
Wonderful stuff on the Tucker, Howard.

I remember seeing my first one on display in the lobby of 30 Rock.

From The 1948 Tuckers: The Cammack Collection

I think we’re looking north (or slightly northeast) from a point between Central Avenue and Powell Avenue through an area that was known locally as Nibbe Hollow in Central Park (today’s Bethpage). Off in the distance are the farm buildings belonging to the Stymus family. The photo was probably taken around August, 1908 and this section of the LIMP was completed in time for use in the 1908 Vanderbilt Cup Race. A large portion of this area was utilized for construction of the Seaford-Oyster Bay Expressway.

From Mystery Foto #48 Solved: Building the Long Island Motor Parkway Through the Stymus Farm in Bethpage

I have no answers but enjoyed seeing this very early picture of Long Island…

From Mystery Foto #48 Solved: Building the Long Island Motor Parkway Through the Stymus Farm in Bethpage

Enjoyed the pictures and explanations above…..Thanks…

From The Incredible Vanderbilt Cup Races on Long Island: The Role of Hicksville Updated: 11/22/16

Thanks for the Tucker presentation.  It brings back memories(I was 10 years old in 1948) of my father showing me a Tucker (don’t remember where this was) and trying to explain some of its features.  I was especially entranced by the center headlight.

Ken Harris

From The 1948 Tuckers: The Cammack Collection

I felt very proud and excited to have rode in the Black Beast race car, with Howard Kroplick.  And to think we drove on a former site of the Motor Parkway on Long Island.

From Mystery Foto #48 Solved: Building the Long Island Motor Parkway Through the Stymus Farm in Bethpage

When I was a kid growing up in West Hempstead, I remember a Tucker dealership on Fulton St. in Hempstead just before where the A&S department store was built.  I knew is was to be a Tucker dealership because the big Tucker sign was already installed on the facade of the building.  Needless to say, that building never saw a Tucker.
Rog

From The 1948 Tuckers: The Cammack Collection

Mystery Foto #49…. The photo shows the Christopher Stymus farm on Norcross and Central Avenues looking east in what is now Bethpage. Photo taken in the summer of 1908. The 1909 and 1910 running of the Vanderbilt races ran on this section of the road.

From Mystery Foto #48 Solved: Building the Long Island Motor Parkway Through the Stymus Farm in Bethpage

Sept. 1908 The Peter Nibbe farmhouse in the distance looking northwest from the Bethpage Central Avenue Railroad bridge and the Nibbe Bridge in behind the trees.
Used in the 1910 Cup race.

From Mystery Foto #48 Solved: Building the Long Island Motor Parkway Through the Stymus Farm in Bethpage

Always loved this photo as well and instantly remembered it can be found on Page 32 of your book!

-Identify the exact location of the Mystery Foto and its orientation
Bethpage (Central Park) looking Easterly. This is the Northward turn at ‘Nibbe’s Hollow’ (Deadman’s curve #2) just before the Nibbe Framway Bridge.

-Identify the family that owned the farm buildings in the background
The William Stymus farm.

-When was this photo taken?
June/July,(probably) 1908

-Which, if any, of the Vanderbilt Cup Races used this section of the Motor Parkway?
1908 VCR

From Mystery Foto #48 Solved: Building the Long Island Motor Parkway Through the Stymus Farm in Bethpage

Growing up, my backyard boarded the 8 th precinct parking lot, which was motor parkway. As a kid, While digging for China with some friends, we dug up a motor parkway sign, which after doing some research may be a license plate! Then later growing up I ran cross country in high school, 1974. I must have ran past that concrete structure a hundred times on that cross country course wondering how and why that was there!  I went on the trail recently looking for it and couldn’t find it.  I can’t believe it’s gone, it was a piece of history. I had my suspicions that it was there for a purpose.  Now it’s confirmed. Thank you for everyone that contributed to this article. It was first the Vanderbilt parkway, then motor parkway then part of it the lirr, now where the power lines run! ... (in bethpage between the 8th precent and the Levittown fire house.)

From Then & Now: The Botto Farmway Bridge in Bethpage State Park

I say bridge over Plainview Rd.  Looking south west.  Nebbe Farm.
Photo taken in the summer/fall of 1908, prior to the 1908 VCR.

From Mystery Foto #48 Solved: Building the Long Island Motor Parkway Through the Stymus Farm in Bethpage

HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL

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