Vanderbilt Cup Races

I am the great granddaughter of Frank Lee. It’s great to see the pictures I remember as a child seeing in my great granparents home. Good job! Now where can I find the book?

From Calling All Vanderbilt Cup Race Families

hello. i am the great grandson to frank lee, who raced with harry grant as his mechanic,i still have some old photos but you may already have what i have…

From Calling All Vanderbilt Cup Race Families

I just finished your book and enjoyed it very much.  I am giving away several copies as well. I am the only grandson of George Robertson.  I’d like to learn more about the races.  thank you.

From Calling All Vanderbilt Cup Race Families

Jan:

Thanks for the post. I have a bunch of photos of Harry Grant and Frank Lee. If you would like copies, just send your email address to .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address).

Enjoy!

Howard

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Love your site and have to get your book. My great grandfather was Frank Lee, Harry Grant’s mechanic. We have many photos from the races. The photo of them crossing the finish line hung in my great-grandmothers and then our home. The house burned in 99.It was a pleasure to see the picture again.

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Kim,

It would be a pleasure. You can send me the Savannah race jpegs to .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address). The 1911 Vanderbilt Cup Race was held in Savannah and then headed west:

http://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/index.php/races/1911-1960/races_from_1911_1960

Howard

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Art:

Thanks for the post and your contributions by documenting the historic Long Island Motor Parkway.

I believe there were two Bethpage “Deadman’s Curves”  on the 1908 Vanderbilt Cup Course. The first curve is described on your website http://www.freewebs.com/limparkway/bethpagedeadmanscurve.htm . A rare image of this curve during the 1908 Motor Parkway Sweepstakes is shown on this website:
http://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/index.php/races/races/the_motor_parkway_sweepstakes

The second “Deadman’s Curve” was the located about 1/2 mile north of the first curve right after the Central Avenue Railroad Bridge. This second curve was called the “Deadman’s Curve” in a 1908 New York Times article on the race course and a 1908 postcard (see top of this thread). Note you can see the Long Island Motor Parkway Bridge over the LIRR on the top of postcard between the trees.

Art, I look forward to seeing more of your LIMP photos on your website.

Howard

From Recommended Website: "Art's Long Island Motor Parkway Website"- Views of the Motor Parkway Today

Hi,

Howard,thank you for posting the link to my website in your blog.  I’m Art of “Art’s Long Island Motor Parkway” website and just came upon the The Vanderbilt Cup Races site.  I just can’t get enough of reading more and more about the LIMP and the races.  Congratulations on publishing the book from Arcadia.  I had contacted them a few years back about doing a book on the LIMP but they said they needed many photos of it from its glory days and I just didn’t have them.  I’m glad someone was able to chronicle the races.  Again, thanks for the link - now that its getting warmer out (at least its supposed to), I’ll be out with the camera to update my website.  Hope to add pages on Queens and eastern Suffolk. 
Best Regards,
Art

From Recommended Website: "Art's Long Island Motor Parkway Website"- Views of the Motor Parkway Today

The Riverhead location would make a great spot to build a museum dedicated to Long Island racing.

From Film Clip "1960 Cornelius Vanderbilt Cup Race"

wow, that was when long island used to be a great place to live. we need more motor sporting events here. let’s bring back long island’s true heritage,
http://www.epcalcentre.com

From Film Clip "1960 Cornelius Vanderbilt Cup Race"

I have a collection of period photographs and an autographed photo by Louis Wagner from the Savannah Grand Prize and Vanderbilt Cup races held 1908, 1910 and 1911.  Also, in March of 1908, Savannah held the first stock car races in America to prove to the Vanderbilt powers that Savannah could host the race and I have 3 photographs of cars and drivers racing on the course from that race too!  Can you let me send some .jpg images to you so that I could get an idea of the value?  Thanks!

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Comments on this film have been posted at a unique Long Island website:

LI Oddities: Then and Now

From Film "Vanderbilt Cup Race Courses: Then &Now"

Don, I have added an image of the N5 Mitchell finishing 4th in the 1908 Nassau Sweepstakes .See image above. Starter Fred Wagner can be seen waving the checkered flag.

From Mitchell Car Company Racers

Randy, congratulations on owning this car! Unfortunately, the above newsreel is the only film that I have found concerning the 1915 races.

According to this database, your car was driven by Jack Gable and finished 10th in the American Grand Prize Race held on February 27, 1915:
  http://www.teamdan.com/archive/gen/1915/1915.html

Two weeks later, your car finished 22nd in the Vanderbilt Cup Race on March 6, 1915:

http://www.teamdan.com/archive/gen/indycar/1915.html#5

I have a photo of the cars at the starting line for the 1915 Vanderbilt Cup Race. The #3 Tahis Robinson-Wisconsin is barely visible on the inside of the #4 Mercedes (driven by the 1912 and 1914 winner Ralph DePalma). Here is a link to the image on the blog: http://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/index.php/blog/article/images_from_the_1915_vanderbilt_cup_races

From Newsreel "1915 Vanderbilt Cup Race"

Mr. Kroplick, I own the Tahis Special (car #3 in this race). Is there any more footage from this race or the U.S. Grand Prix on Feb. 27 available? Thank you. Randy

From Newsreel "1915 Vanderbilt Cup Race"

Don, Mitchells did not enter any of the six Long Island Vanderbilt Cup Races and therefore are not included in the book.

However, three Mitchells did particpate in the Motor Parkway Sweepstakes on October 10, 1908. This race opened the Long Island Motor Parkway and was held two weeks before the Vanderbilt Cup Race over the same course. The N1 and N5 Mitchells participated in the Nassau Sweepstakes finishing 3rd and 4th and the J12 Mitchell raced in the Jericho Sweepstakes and finished 6th.

Go to the “Contact Us” tab and please send me your email address. I will forward several images of the Mitchells from my image database which you can share with the Mitchell Club. One image shows the N1 and N5 cars at the starting line with the drivers and mechanicians wearing distinctive sweaters with the Mitchell logos. Enjoy!

From Mitchell Car Company Racers

Herb, it is great to see The New York Times give some credit to a piece of Long Island history that seems to have been lost over time.

I have also walked and driven the length of Long Island Motor Parkway from Fresh Meadows to Lake Ronkonkoma.

There are still pieces of the road, ruins and concrete posts of this 48-mile parkway along the LIMP right-of-way. In Nassau and Suffolk Counties, the ROW can be easily identified by the tall LIPA electrical utility towers.

My favorite Long Island Motor Parkway locations are:
-the bike paths, concrete posts, and bridges of Queens County
-the Great Neck South High School athletic fields
-the LIMP Bridge and concrete posts at Old Courthouse Road in Manhasset Hills
-the Willis Avenue path and historical marker
-the Roslyn Toll House (now private home) off Roslyn Road
-the bridge abutments and concrete posts near Clinton Road in Garden City
-the restored Garden City Lodge relocated in the heart of Garden City
-the site of the Vanderbilt Cup Race grandstand (1908-1910)near Orchid Road and Crocus Road in Levittown.
-Deadman’s Curve near Sophia Street in Bethpage
-Battlerow in Bethpage
-a LIMP Bridge in Old Bethpage Village Restoration
-the remains of a farmway Bridge on Maxess Road in Melville
-rows of concrete posts in Lakeland in Suffolk County.
-the Lake Ronkonkoma Toll Lodge (now a private home)
-the site of Petit Trianon and the western terminus at Lake Ronkonkoma

FYI, “Old 16” now resides at The Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, Michigan. Every Labor Day, Malcolm Cullum, a museum senior conservator, takes the car out for a run through Greenfield Village!

Thanks again for the feedback on the website.

From How much of the Long Island Motor Parkway still exists?

Kevin, thanks for the feedback on the website.

Louis Chevrolet always drove hard in his four Vanderbilt Cup Races (1905, 1908, 1909,and 1910). In the 1910 Vanderbilt Cup Race (22 laps over a 12.64 mile course), Chevrolet led the the race after 7 laps averaging 72 mph. He lost the lead and then regained it during lap 14. However, his Marquette-Buick broke a steering knuckle on lap #16 and crashed into a spectator’s car. The resulting death of his mechanician Charles Miller helped put an end to the Vanderbilt Cup Races on Long Island.

Griffith Borgeson’s book “Golden Age of the American Racing Car” provides an excellent chapter on Louis Chevrolet:

http://books.google.com/books?id=MDMFSp7xTp0C&pg=PA61&dq=Louis+Chevrolet&sig=9LuehLOZuDDSC2oM3IYrDIubc2Q

From Long Before NASCAR, Dirt-Road Daredevils: New York Times March 16, 2008

Hey Howard, read the article in tomorrow’s Times. I am a musician, long time college professor (music, not auto-related) and life-long auto fan. In my high school days (‘48-‘49 ) my car-friends and I searched out as much of the motor parkway as we could get onto. Much of the Nassau area around Glen cove road - just north of Jericho tpk was still around, but not by car, so it was a real joy to ride it on our bikes. We also roared our hot-rods along the motor parkway from around Farmingdale all the way to the Lake! I’ve re-lived that often at a more reasonable rate of speed!! I’ve seen “old 16” when, for a time, it was in an auto museum in Southampton. Look forward to your book, and the videos on the site are cool.

From How much of the Long Island Motor Parkway still exists?

i just read my ny times and saw the article on the vanderbilt cup races. i have lived a few blocks from the vanderbilt motor parkway for 26 years and have always been interested in the history of the race as well historic automobiles and the colorful characters that have shaped the early history of the automobile. the article and your website has provided me with a great deal of wonderful information that was previously unobtainable to the average person.for instance, i did not know that louis chevrolet drove in the race 4 times, but did you know that the last automotive job he held was as an assembly line worker for chevrolet…...go figure…but thats a story for another time…..again many thanks for all the wonderful information..kevin

From Long Before NASCAR, Dirt-Road Daredevils: New York Times March 16, 2008