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I think I have identified the location. This is the ‘snake turn’ near Bloomingdale Rd looking southeast. The photo below appears to be a match.
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From Mystery Friday Foto #23: A.L. Riker road testing the Motor Parkway in a 1908 Locomobile 40
-The location of the Mystery Foto and orientation of the photographer
Oh boy, A bit of a challenge here. Looking in the distance from the direction from which they came, they made a sharp right hand curve. It appears they are about to go into a left hand curve. In the plains area of the Parkway traveling East, there is no right turn, straightaway, and then left turn without seeing a bridge somewhere, (bridge to the photographer’s back?) so this is a bit confusing. Traveling West, and flipping the turns around also does not make sense either. The smaller roads on the left side also are a bit of a mystery as well. If not for the left they are about to go into, I would have said somewhere in the grandstands area looking West, (which it still may well be) but this photo is deceptively tricky as there is no place the Parkway has that combination of turns. Another busy weekend, but I’ll keep searching. The resolution isn’t the greatest, so the tree line (or possible Ladenburg windmill) in the distance isn’t helping much….
-The manufacturer, model and year of the automobile
1908 Locomobile 40
-The driver
Looks like A.L. Riker once again, and possibly wearing the same suit and tie he wore for the mystery photo 2 weeks ago!
-Significance of the license plate
I believe that to be a Connecticut Locomobile manufacturer plate. I happened to spot a modern photo of a Loco sporting a manufacturer plate as well…
-Approximate date of the Mystery Foto. Provide a rationale.
LIMP looks to be just about finished, construction hut still standing, so maybe Sept/Oct 1908
From Mystery Friday Foto #23: A.L. Riker road testing the Motor Parkway in a 1908 Locomobile 40
What a great post. Thank you Art.
From Kleiner's Korner: A U.S. Army Signal Corps (Mineola) Scrapbook
Nice find, Art. The Old Country Rd Hwy Bridge was also captured in the scrapbook photo, top and center.
From Kleiner's Korner: A U.S. Army Signal Corps (Mineola) Scrapbook
Unfortunately, the Carnival of Cars was short lived, barely lasting 7 months, as it closed down on March 1, 1955. Photos D & J are of Robert W. Dowling’s 1909 Nott steamer with a 1919 American LaFrance tractor, originally from St. Paul, Minn., and now owned by the East Hampton F.D.; Photos H & L are a 1912 Packard Landaulet; and I believe Photo K is a 1910 White Opera Coupe. All were shown in Clark’s “Antique Cars” booklet.
From The 1954 Carnival of Cars parade down Fifth Avenue
Thanks for the photoshopped photo, it brings the idea to life!
From Update: Restoration of a section of the Motor Parkway in Garden City
Congratulations nice car
From Updated: VanderbiltCupRaces.com Exclusive: The one-of-a-kind 1962 Holman Moody Challenger III is headed to the Waterfront at Roslyn Garage
Al - Great details of old Long Island versus what’s available online today. These are hard or impossible facts to find today. Thank you much
From Mystery Foto #22 Solved: Seven parked automobiles at Krug's Corner Hotel in Mineola circa 1911-1912
Frank, The name of the rodizio place is Churrasqueira Bairrada Restaurant. Ask for Manny Carvalhos, tell him Al Velocci sent you.
From Mystery Foto #22 Solved: Seven parked automobiles at Krug's Corner Hotel in Mineola circa 1911-1912
Frank, It wasn’t always Krug’s Corner. In 1888 Frank P. Krug opened this location as the East Williston Hotel. Catered to and very popular with bicycle enthusiasts. He changed the name to Krug’s Corner in 1905 when Mineola Village incorporated.
From Mystery Foto #22 Solved: Seven parked automobiles at Krug's Corner Hotel in Mineola circa 1911-1912
Steve is correct, pre-1910, NY State first issued license plates in 1910, front and rear of the auto.
From Mystery Foto #22 Solved: Seven parked automobiles at Krug's Corner Hotel in Mineola circa 1911-1912
Hard to believe the 110 year photo comparison to present day. Admiring the old Long Island country scene with its dusty and rutty roadways. I’d
bet this particular corner was louder than most, and sometimes even rowdy. This area was renamed from Queens to Nassau County just 12 years earlier in 1899. It is impossible to park in such a manner on Jericho Tpke today, the flashing tow trucks will soon be arriving.
From Mystery Foto #22 Solved: Seven parked automobiles at Krug's Corner Hotel in Mineola circa 1911-1912
I seriously doubt the car on the left being a Simplex, the reasons for my doubt following hereafter. I don’t know if by Simplex is meant the Smith & Mabley Simplex, or the American Simplex, which in 1910 changed its name to Amplex.
Neither of these makes however fit with the appearance of the car on the left:
The Smith & Mabley Simplex had a radiator shell with rounded lower corners, a segmented radiator core, a conspicuous, large triangular radiator emblem, strongly curved dumb irons and a deeper curve in the front axle. The front fenders were horizontal at the front, sloping after a sharp bend towards the running board.
The American Simplex had a radiator shell with flattened lower corners indeed, but had again a segmented radiator core, a rounded badge (if present), dumb irons clearly curved at the font, a front axle with a deep, long curve, and front fenders curving over the wheel and ending in a small horizontal tip.
The photo is unfortunately rather blurry, causing the uncertainty. Is the badge oval, or maybe a flattened rhombus, like the emblem on the Jackson from about 1911? Often a Jackson script was present on the radiator core, but not always. According to my observation the 1911 Jackson model 35 is the best candidate so far with most details matching, but the blurriness of the details make a definite conclusion for me impossible. It would help if a better, sharper scan would be available.
From Mystery Foto #22 Solved: Seven parked automobiles at Krug's Corner Hotel in Mineola circa 1911-1912
CORRECTION: Ford Falcon Challenger III
From Updated: VanderbiltCupRaces.com Exclusive: The one-of-a-kind 1962 Holman Moody Challenger III is headed to the Waterfront at Roslyn Garage
Howard at the Greenwich Concours d’Elgance Sat. June 4 2016 with the Mustang III, he needs a new blue version of this shirt and cap for his new Mustang Challenger III.
From Updated: VanderbiltCupRaces.com Exclusive: The one-of-a-kind 1962 Holman Moody Challenger III is headed to the Waterfront at Roslyn Garage
Mystery Foto #22… the fourth car from left is a Model T Ford, maybe 1908-1910. The building is Krug’s Corner cafe & dining room. The date of the photo could be Decoration Day 1908. That’s all I’ve got. Ty
From Mystery Foto #22 Solved: Seven parked automobiles at Krug's Corner Hotel in Mineola circa 1911-1912
Congratulations Howard on the new addition to your collection of historically significant cars. Looking forward to seeing it when you are ready to put it on display!
From Updated: VanderbiltCupRaces.com Exclusive: The one-of-a-kind 1962 Holman Moody Challenger III is headed to the Waterfront at Roslyn Garage
Congratulations on your acquisition of another historic find. Your vision to find preserve, display and run these automobiles that exhibit such unique designs, engineering and history are a testament to your commitment to the hobby and the preservation and education of us all whom enjoy it with you.
From Updated: VanderbiltCupRaces.com Exclusive: The one-of-a-kind 1962 Holman Moody Challenger III is headed to the Waterfront at Roslyn Garage
What a most-fascinating man of so many, many venues and of such markableness!
From Kleiner's Korner: And now for something completely different #4- Willie K.
Krugs Corner, Mineola. 1908
From Mystery Foto #22 Solved: Seven parked automobiles at Krug's Corner Hotel in Mineola circa 1911-1912
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