Vanderbilt Cup Races

Just realized I goofed with my answer. It is worded, “were photographed at the same location.”

Being I’m more sure of the Helck photo location being correct, I’ll say Boston Corner for both locations.

From Mystery Fotos #50 Solved: Old 16 and The Beast in Bridgehampton (1951-1952)

Location/Date:  Oct. 9, 1954 - 50th Anniversary of the first Vanderbilt Cup Race held at Garden City/Mineola.

Car #1: Peugeot
Car #2: “Old 16” Locomobile, Driver - Joe Tracy, Passengers - Peter Helck and son, Jerry.

From Mystery Fotos #50 Solved: Old 16 and The Beast in Bridgehampton (1951-1952)

Not much more I can do with this mystery this week. Year 1951 and possibly Old 16,as to where,no idea,don’t know where car1 is from,can’t make out the license plate,also see some writing on the car that I can’t make out either.It might be a concept car or experimental.I think I mentioned Austin Martin

From Mystery Fotos #50 Solved: Old 16 and The Beast in Bridgehampton (1951-1952)

Just realized I goofed on my answer. The wording of the question- “were photographed at the same location.”

Being I’m more sure of the Helck photo of Tracy delivering the Loco, I’ll go with both photos being taken in Boston Corner NY.

From Mystery Fotos #50 Solved: Old 16 and The Beast in Bridgehampton (1951-1952)

Identify vehicle #1 and its owner
The car was built for Russ Case and was based on Jeep running gear. It was originally called the “Case Super Special Speedster” and later, “The Beast”. After Case tired of it it wound up with Chuck Kotchan who painted it up in Grand Prix Motors livery. Chuck was the Effyh FIII car importer for the U.S. in 1951. Car seen here in Bridgehampton June 9, 1951

Identify vehicle #2, its driver and two passengers.
Old 16- 1906 Locomobile.
First American Car to Win a Vanderbilt Cup Race in 1908. In the photo, The car was delivered to Peter Helck’s Boston Corners, New York home by Joe Tracy in January 1942.

From Mystery Fotos #50 Solved: Old 16 and The Beast in Bridgehampton (1951-1952)

1951 (license plate), car one’s front end resembles a Jaquar (prototype) with grand prix decal on door, car two carries the Helcks with former owner/driver Joe Sessions but more likely VCR winner George Robertson.

From Mystery Fotos #50 Solved: Old 16 and The Beast in Bridgehampton (1951-1952)

#1’s that weird tow-car you’ve pictured before (and, no, I’m NOT gonna look it up) and #2’s a give-away - 1906 Locomobile “Old 16” in (on?) which George Robertson won the 1908 VCP, probably with George (or Joe Tracy?) at the wheel, probably owner Peter Helck’s son Jerry alongside, and Peter Helck on the floorboard, risking emasculation by the left-hand chain!  Sam, III

From Mystery Fotos #50 Solved: Old 16 and The Beast in Bridgehampton (1951-1952)

Holy mackerel, Andy!  Could that Rolls Phantom I up front in the lead picture be the same one I photographed back on 20 May 1956:

  http://sbiii.com/automot2.html#clasicar?

Nope, it’s a drophead and the car in my shot has an odd hard-topped roadster body (and the fender lips and bumper are different) but it did give me quite a turn for a mo’!  It’s not the drophead noted and pictured at:

  http://sbiii.com/automotv.html;

that one was a P-II.  Oh, well.

Sam, III

From Updated: Walter McCarthy Collection: Then & Now- The Long Island Automotive Museum

How sad.  It as such a great place and Austie such a great guy.  Love your Then and Now series.  Sam, III

From Updated: Walter McCarthy Collection: Then & Now- The Long Island Automotive Museum

WOUNDER WHAT IT WOULD COST TO REOPEN IT

From Updated: Walter McCarthy Collection: Then & Now- The Long Island Automotive Museum

What a shame - would make a nice automobile museum (again)!  Once it’s gone, it’s gone.

From Updated: Walter McCarthy Collection: Then & Now- The Long Island Automotive Museum

Too bad. I always meant to go visit the museum, but never got there due “Life”.
I guess I can now.
Is there anything left to see, aside of the buildings?
BTW, good to meet you-sort of- at the last Chowder.

From Updated: Walter McCarthy Collection: Then & Now- The Long Island Automotive Museum

For some reason, I’m glad that even though the Southampton Automotive Museum no longer operates, and the nearby Bridgehampton Race Circuit no longer hosts races, that both are still there to remind us of wonderful automotive facilities of the past.

From Updated: Walter McCarthy Collection: Then & Now- The Long Island Automotive Museum

Congratulations!  It was a glorious weekend, I was exhibiting my art up on the midway for four days.

Best wishes,
Chris Osborne

From Hemmings Motor News: A Walk in the Park- The 2015 Lime Rock Concours d'Elegance

Vehicle 2 Old #16 at Westbury 1952 with Robertson, Peter Helck, and Peter Helck Jr.

From Mystery Fotos #50 Solved: Old 16 and The Beast in Bridgehampton (1951-1952)

Who owns the property now? Could some investors rebuild the museum and have a rotating collection of cars and history with special events and car shows there.

From Updated: Walter McCarthy Collection: Then & Now- The Long Island Automotive Museum

After attending the presentation in Bethpage November 2014, I took my own tour of the museum grounds in April of this year. Brought back fond memories of going out there with my dad so many years ago. Eric’s photos reinforce the images in my mind from that visit.

From Updated: Walter McCarthy Collection: Then & Now- The Long Island Automotive Museum

So sad !

From Updated: Walter McCarthy Collection: Then & Now- The Long Island Automotive Museum

Thank you for the fascinating (if depressing) post.  Would that some comfortable L I antique auto aficionado with a bent for history could not in some manner resurrect this gem….  Hmmmm

From Updated: Walter McCarthy Collection: Then & Now- The Long Island Automotive Museum

Our family visited Long Island in the summer for two or three years around 1980.  We stopped at LIAM on one of those trips, and it turned out to be that the day we stopped in was one week before it closed.  I can remember my son’s and my disappointment that we could never get back there again.  Amazing that the building are still standing and a shame that they were not put to some other useful purpose.

From Updated: Walter McCarthy Collection: Then & Now- The Long Island Automotive Museum