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Art, Your welcome. Like you I was also impressed how quickly the bridges went up. With regard to the Central Ave./LIRR bridge their was an additional concern. Supplying the steel and erecting the same at this location was by the Miliken Bros. of Brooklyn who the year before in 1907 had declared bankruptcy. Two of the girders they supplied were 110 feet long each. I wish I could have seen how they managed to raised these to the 24 foot height mandated by the LIRR. They were paid $4,561.25 for their efforts.
From Kleiner's Kolumn: Removal of the Central Avenue/LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge
Oops - typo. Sorry. “Banking”, NOT “backing”. Sam, III
From Kleiner's Kolumn:Update-Historical Markers for the Long Island Motor Parkway & Vanderbilt Cup Races
The 1 acre property is in Levittown, where the electric substation is on Newbridge Rd, but the station has grown today to 7.5 acres. Dunno the reason for purchase but three possibilities;
1. The lot was included with a RoW property purchase just to the north (unlikely).
2. The lot was purchased to serve as an intermediate fuel service/tire change station during the races (more likely).
3. The lot was purchased to serve as a parking facility for race spectators observing from the top of the Newbridge Hotel, on Newbridge Rd just to the north, a favorite viewing site for the races (most likely).
By 1936 the lot was already being used as a substation while the LIMP was still in operation (see below).
Anticipating this week’s answers. The stress is wearing out my timing chain. Hurry up!
PS. Check out the steepness of the Newbridge Rd bridge below! It reminds me of the bridges still standing in Queens on the Brooklyn-Queens Greenway.
From Mystery Foto #44 Solved: One-Acre Property Purchased by the Motor Parkway for a Borrow Pit
Obviously the property is slightly west of Newbridge Road in Levittown with access to
Newbridge Road. Since the LIRR Central Branch ROW is between the LIMP and the site, could there possibly have been some joint plan in the works to build a combo lodge and railroad station? The site is about midway between Meadowbrook and Massapequa lodges. Today there a large PSE&G substation on this site.
From Mystery Foto #44 Solved: One-Acre Property Purchased by the Motor Parkway for a Borrow Pit
First of all, fantastic work lately Art. Great stuff.
There is a lot to see at Battle ROW, but no historical marker is there now.
From Kleiner's Kolumn:Update-Historical Markers for the Long Island Motor Parkway & Vanderbilt Cup Races
Al - thank you. Yes, the scenario of removing the bridge but not the abutments appears to be the conclusion I’m also coming to with other bridge removals. As we’ve seen, this practice has led to unforeseen accidents causing injuries, so ultimately the abutments needed to come down.
From Kleiner's Kolumn: Removal of the Central Avenue/LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge
Well, it states right on the plan that it was a “Borrow Pit” and so probably furnished fill for the Newbridge Road bridge abutments.,. It’s at the east end of today’s Salisbury Park Drive, opposite the west end of today’s Carnation Road, and is now the site of LIPA’s power substation distribution tower. Sam, III
From Mystery Foto #44 Solved: One-Acre Property Purchased by the Motor Parkway for a Borrow Pit
Art, Great write up of the Central Ave./LIRR bridge and it’s ultimate fate, well done. With regard to the confusion over the actual removal date let me describe a possible scenario. The Parkway bridge over Clinton Rd. in Garden City was taken down the week of April 2nd 1939. However, the outer abutments were not removed until April 1944. Could something similar have happened at Central Ave. ?
From Kleiner's Kolumn: Removal of the Central Avenue/LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge
Damn, damn and double-damn! This feature just reinforces my very clear recollection of the three-bar grilles in the ‘37 Chrysler’s rear quarter panels as pre-vanity-mirror hidden, private peek-throughs for Della. Don’t bother me with facts, Walt - I was all over that car when it first turned up at the Museum and I knows what I knows! :ยท) Sam, III
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[Had to back into this thread; no comment section on opening.] What a kick to see dear John Burns; what a dynamo he was! Mayhap the Preservation Society should make it a goal to (help) restore any missing markers; I never realized there were so many. How about one for the Aviation CC and its hangar roof and a pair, one at each end of Harned Road (the Commack Spur)? Ditto for the backing at I. U. Willets Road and especially at Deadman’s Curve at the south end of North Hermann Avenue. Way to go, Howard; one great thread after another; thanks as always! Sam, III
From Kleiner's Kolumn:Update-Historical Markers for the Long Island Motor Parkway & Vanderbilt Cup Races
West of Newbridge Rd (106). Currently the site of a LIPA substation. Not sure why it was purchased, but maybe they were considering on constructing a railroad station.
From Mystery Foto #44 Solved: One-Acre Property Purchased by the Motor Parkway for a Borrow Pit
The information continues to grow with the history of the LIMP and Bethpage. We thank you for that. Central Park Historical Society
From Kleiner's Kolumn: Removal of the Central Avenue/LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge
Where was this property located?
The property on the south side of the current Salisbury Park Drive, a little west from the intersection with the renamed Newbridge Road.
Why did the Motor Parkway purchase this property? Provide a rationale.
The engineering drawing has a penciled in comment “Borrow pit.” From Wikipedia “In construction and civil engineering, a borrow pit, also known as a sand box, is an area where material (usually soil, gravel or sand) has been dug for use at another location.[1] Borrow pits can be found close to many major construction projects. For example, soil might be excavated to fill an embankment for a highway, clay might be excavated for use in brick-making, gravel to be used for making concrete, etc.”
There were two LIMP bridges in this immediate area. The New Bridge Road bridge was situated just a few feet from the path from the pit to New Bridge. A short way west was the Westbury Road bridge. Both of these bridges were raised over the existing roads and thus required fill material to build up the embankments to the bridge deck.
What is currently on this property?
Currently a PSE&G transformer farm resides in this area. I just drove by the area and there are no indications of there being a “pit” here as the farm is all level ground. Where the material from the embankments went would be speculation on my part, though I would add the nearby Wantagh parkway does a slight dip under Salisbury Park Drive, so at one time there was plenty of nearby material to use to level this area.
I sized the drawing to approximately match a Google Map of the area and pasted the drawing in.
From Mystery Foto #44 Solved: One-Acre Property Purchased by the Motor Parkway for a Borrow Pit
Thanks for the new info., Peter and all - FYI - the county is currently digging out the walking trail around Eisenhower Park as part of the Motor Parkway Trail Program Trail This section will be along Old Country Road and Salisbury Park Drive. Will provide pictures later.
https://www.nassaucountyny.gov/2893/Motor-Parkway-Trail-Program
From Kleiner's Kolumn:Update-Historical Markers for the Long Island Motor Parkway & Vanderbilt Cup Races
The marker at the corner of Commack Rd. & Vanderbilt
pkwy was recently restored. The restoration was initiated on the Long Island Needs A Dragstrip Facebook page. There was a discussion about the parkway and the markers. Someone mentioned that this marker was in bad shape. A member of the group said that he worked for the town of Huntington highway dept. and he would see about getting it restored. It took some time, but the new restored marker was recently installed back in it’s original place.
From Kleiner's Kolumn:Update-Historical Markers for the Long Island Motor Parkway & Vanderbilt Cup Races
Sam - about 112 acres worth of original prairie, and it’s still vacant! That tract always had me curious. Likely flourishing with water issues associated with that pond just to the north.
From Mystery Foto #43 Solved : A 1955 View of the Motor Parkway in Levittown Looking West
After reading Gary’s comment above, taking a careful look thru Battle Row for the LIMP marker is a good idea.
From Kleiner's Kolumn:Update-Historical Markers for the Long Island Motor Parkway & Vanderbilt Cup Races
Location - southwest of Newbridge Rd & LIRR
Reason for Purchase - I’m thinking the parkway company had plans for a temporarily permanent RR station to be built here for race spectators and the like. Could’ve been for the 1908 VCR, but then decided on the train stop nearer to the grandstand. Or maybe a RR station for the proposed Hempstead Plains Speedway that never came to be. Don’t think anything came of this purchased acre.
Current use - purchased by LILCO in 1938 for substation.
From Mystery Foto #44 Solved: One-Acre Property Purchased by the Motor Parkway for a Borrow Pit
1. South side of what was later Salisbury Park Drive and south of the Stewart rail line,
West side of Newbridge Road.
2. My guess is the LIMP purchased this acre in order to have a convenient location to dig
and use a source of dirt to construct the raised portions of the roadway in this area
between the Westbury and Newbridge Road bridges.
3. Today the LIPA transmission stations occupy the site.
From Mystery Foto #44 Solved: One-Acre Property Purchased by the Motor Parkway for a Borrow Pit
Thanks Joe, another piece of information to help make a conclusion.
From Kleiner's Kolumn: Removal of the Central Avenue/LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge
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