Vanderbilt Cup Races

Greg Regarding your comment about a toll lodge “archaeological dig” , might have one for you. When the Garden City Lodge was being moved, a good friend of mine and a a die hard Parkway buff, said he figured out where the out house used to be. He tried to get permission to dig for it but was refused. He is convinced it was never disturbed and is located some where on the front lawn of the home that was built. I’m sure if you were to pay for his air fare from Florida, he will be glad to share that information.

From Update: Greg O’s Discovery: The McCamish Family and Their Time in the Meadow Brook Lodge

Frank, Your comments of June 19, regarding Power House Rd./NY25D made me take another look at that scenario and,... discovered I made a HUGE mistake.  I said that I. U. Willets Rd. joined Power House Rd./ Old Westbury Rd.  Actually,  Its the other way around,  The 1914 Belcher Hyde Atlas of Nassau County clearly has the western terminus of Power House/Old Westbury Rd. at Shelter Rock Rd. It also shows that west of that point, heading in a south west direction, are dotted lines stating “proposed line of new road”  that connects to I. U. Willets Rd., Now I think I know why that road designation is so convoluted and confusing. The state built that section between Shelter Rock and I. U. Willets and, some where along the line, they designated every thing west ward as Route 25D,.... adding to the mess. Thanks to Frank’s observation all is right with the world again.

From Mystery Foto #24 Solved: A 1952 Aerial View of Lake Success

Thanks Al!  I remember our conversation about the addition but did not add it in assuming your explanation would be better conveyed here in the comments.

Doubtful it could happen today as most of the sites have been built over, but it would have been fun to conduct an ‘archeological dig’ where the outhouses used to be to possibly recover the materials used to fill the voids.

From Update: Greg O’s Discovery: The McCamish Family and Their Time in the Meadow Brook Lodge

Greg, Otto McCamish dd not build the addition onto the lodge. That extension is the bathroom the Parkway added the lodges (at no cost to the lodge keepers), once there was municipal water lines in abutting streets. (late 1920’s-early 1930’s) At the same time basements were dug under the lodges to accommodate hot water tanks, furnaces, etc.. If there were sewer lines in the streets, they were hooked up. If not, cesspools were built. At this time the out houses filled in with expired motor parkway license plates, old toll tickets, their deputy sheriff badges, and all kinds on Motor Parkway signage and other memorabilia.

From Update: Greg O’s Discovery: The McCamish Family and Their Time in the Meadow Brook Lodge

Sam, Regarding your Browers Lane /Power House Rd. street sign, ( on the south service rd. of the LIE, between Willis Ave. and Searingtown Rd.), that one is gone. BUT ....it has been replaced with another with the exact same designation. So, Power House Rd. still exists west of/Willis Ave. but only up to Searingtown Rd. Not only that, the south service rd. of the LIE, between Willis Ave. and Roslyn Rd.,  is also designated Power House Rd., just like the North Service Rd. That has to lead to some confusion as neither of the two roadways is designated North or South!

From Open Discussion: Powerhouse Road

The 1926 map below shows the original route of Powerhouse Rd, exists today as Al explains above. I can now see that Nassau Power & Lights property expanded over the LIE, larger than the utilities property today.

The 1950 map also shows the original route of Powerhouse Rd, but also the road that branches off W/O Mineola Ave, then runs parallel with Northern State Pkwy; and joins with Powerhouse Rd at the lower left corner of the map. This newer branch is now the S Service Rd/Powerhouse Rd of the LIE.

I marked these aerials as clear as I could.

From Open Discussion: Powerhouse Road

Thanks Art! I was so focused on a few other aspects of the photo, I somewhat missed that myself. My ex-wife and I had a house in Salisbury near the corner of Carmen and Stwewart, that is the direction it would be in, so you’re right, most likely a directional arrow.

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Howard Kroplick

Greg, it is likely the sign was pointing to the nearby Salisbury Country Club:
https://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/blog/article/mystery_friday_foto_11_can_you_identify_this_flight_over_long_island

From Update: Greg O’s Discovery: The McCamish Family and Their Time in the Meadow Brook Lodge

Thanks, David.  Will keep both products in mind - you never know when you’ll need help!

From Mystery Foto #24 Solved: A 1952 Aerial View of Lake Success

Nice story, Greg!  I just noticed the “Salisbury” sign in the last picture.  Wallace is hiding the other part of the sign, wonder if its an arrow.

From Update: Greg O’s Discovery: The McCamish Family and Their Time in the Meadow Brook Lodge

OFF-TOPIC TO ART-
I’m late the the Garfield Tea party…The “tea(-syrup)” “activated sluggish bowels.”
Research Stillman Remedies Co to learn more.
Top sign is CELLULOSE STARCH, both the name of a company (in Phila first, later in New Haven) and its laundry starch product. 

From Mystery Foto #24 Solved: A 1952 Aerial View of Lake Success

” Wonder how much the commission paid for its use.”  O.K., Al; over to you!  Sam, III

From Mystery Foto #20 Solved: The 1906 Vanderbilt Cup Commission Headquarters on Jericho Turnpike, Westbury

Oops, my comment wasn’t delivered, as well as others I presume.

This 1908 photo likely taken from on top of the Jerusalem Ave bridge looking west in Levittown’s open prarie (Island Trees). Though similar to the 1908 Carman Ave bridge view (below), it’s missing both the Ladenburg windmill on the horizon and the water feed hose on the south side of the roadway. Guessing the two seated vehicle likely Motor Parkway photographer Nathan Lazarnick and associate in their Buick, driving into the sunset at about 3pm. If correct, that would place the future Long Island Aviation Country Club airfield to the immediate right with its hangars further down on the right, and the future Levittown Grandstand (1908-10) more further down on the left. Great photo, Art

From Mystery Foto #25 Currently Under Dispute: Joe Tracy Testing the Motor Parkway in September 1908

Sam, Yep,  The Roslyn Light and Power Company northern boundary was Power House Rd.  (by the way, right after the LIE was built, some maps show the south service road also as Power House Rd.) With regard to Brower Lane, before the LIE was built access to that road was from Power House Rd.  and also Garfield Place.. Today Garfield Pl. exists only north of the LIE.

From Open Discussion: Powerhouse Road

From Art Kleiner:
Here’s the commission HQ before the race.  The calm before the storm.  From “The Automobile” of Sept. 13, 1906.  Wonder how much the commission paid for its use.

From Mystery Foto #20 Solved: The 1906 Vanderbilt Cup Commission Headquarters on Jericho Turnpike, Westbury

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From Details on the "Thermos The Bottle" Truck at the 1909 Vanderbilt Cup Race

What hath I wrought?  And I thought I knew this area!  Thanks, Al et al.  Something’s still missing, though.  There’s that Browers Lane/PHR sign on my Odd Streets page <http://sbiii.com/oddstrts.html>,  it’s on the SOUTH side of the LIE (the South Service Road).  PHR *IS* the north side of the RL&P/NL&P/LILCO/NG property.  By “stretching northward all the way”, Al, did you mean across the LIE to the North Service Road?  ‘Tis a puzzlement.  Brian’s maps don’t blow up well.  Any hope for higher resolution?  Sam, III

From Open Discussion: Powerhouse Road

What hath I wrought?  And I thought I knew this area!  Thanks, Al et al.  Something’s still missing, though.  There’s that Browers Lane/PHR sign on my Odd Streets page <http://sbiii.com/oddstrts.html>,  it’s on the SOUTH side of the LIE (the South Service Road).  PHR *IS* the north side of the RL&P/NL&P/LILCO/NG property.  By “stretching northward all the way”, Al, did you mean across the LIE to the North Service Road?  ‘Tis a puzzlement.  Sam, III

From Open Discussion: Powerhouse Road

Al Velocci:

Art, Yes, the Nassau Light and Power Company moved to Glenwood Landing in the spring of 1904 but they retained the property in Roslyn. Today, at the south east corner of Willis Ave. and the South Service Rd. of the LIE is the National Grid complex that stretches east ward to the LIRR. This is whats left of what was originally the Roslyn Light and Power property which, prior to the construction of the LIE, stretched northward all the way to today’s Power House Rd. Prior to the building of the LIE,  that section of the roadway from Roslyn Rd. west to Shelter Rock Rd. was generally referred to as Power House Rd. Today Power House Rd. stretches from Roslyn Rd. west ward to Mineola Ave. East of Mineola Ave. it becomes Old Power House Rd. and continues west ward beyond the split at the beginning of the north service rd of the LIE. The last couple hundred feet is unpaved, reaching to Christopher Morley Park.

From Open Discussion: Powerhouse Road

Art, Yes, the Nassau Light and Power Company moved to Glenwood Landing in the spring of 1904 but they retained the property in Roslyn. Today, at the south east corner of Willis Ave. and the South Service Rd. of the LIE is the National Grid complex that stretches east ward to the LIRR. This is whats left of what was originally the Roslyn Light and Power property which, prior to the construction of the LIE, stretched northward all the way to today’s Power House Rd. Prior to the building of the LIE,  that section of the roadway from Roslyn Rd. west to Shelter Rock Rd. was generally referred to as Power House Rd. Today Power House Rd. stretches from Roslyn Rd. west ward to Mineola Ave. East of Mineola Ave. it becomes Old Power House Rd. and continues west ward beyond the split at the beginning of the north service rd of the LIE. The last couple hundred feet is unpaved, reaching to Christopher Morley Park.

From Fraud Alert Update: Guide to Identifying Authentic Versus Reproduced Long Island Motor Parkway and Roosevelt Field Porcelain Plates

Thanks, Brian!  My grandfather pulled strings to get (NY) XX 17, as did my father to get XX 18 (the XX-series was supposedly reserved for legislators).  My classmate’s father had XX 19.  I moved heaven and earth to secure (NY) SB III and, after Dad died, to get XX 18.  For Mom’s car, at one point, we had 18 SB.  Somewhere I have a pic of THREE cars in the driveway with XX 18 [mine, my old ‘49 Chrysler, and mom’s with (PA) XX 18]!  I hated to give up SB III when we moved up here but almost immediately snagged (MA) SB III..  Tradition (60 years+)!  Sam 123

From Fraud Alert Update: Guide to Identifying Authentic Versus Reproduced Long Island Motor Parkway and Roosevelt Field Porcelain Plates