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Hi Howard:  Thank you for the Aline Rhonie Roosevelt Field Mural article.  As always you have done top shelf work.  Ken

From In Search of Aline Rhonie's Mural "The Pre-Lindbergh ERA of Flying on Long Island" First Installed in Roosevelt Field

Sorry to go off on a tangent but does anyone remember if there was a mural of the R-34 or some other dirigible in the Garden City post office during the 1960s or 1970s? Different from the well-known WPA harvest mural on the south wall.

From In Search of Aline Rhonie's Mural "The Pre-Lindbergh ERA of Flying on Long Island" First Installed in Roosevelt Field

Today’s aviation history blog is wonderful! It adds so much to the unsung heroes. Thanks to y’all who went out there to capture and record it for future generations.

From In Search of Aline Rhonie's Mural "The Pre-Lindbergh ERA of Flying on Long Island" First Installed in Roosevelt Field

While I pride myself on knowing the LIMP (I live half a block from it in Levittown and played on it as a kid) I have to admit I am stumped on this. I even used the Google Maps online map of the LIMP and could only come up with one similar scene where the LIMP crosses a street with a traffic signal.

That would be the current west end of Vanderbilt Pkwy at 448 Half Hollow Road in Dix Hills. While the traffic light plus existing roadway matches I cannot see the split rail fence nor any of the original remaining roadway.

From Mystery Foto #37 Solved: Motor Parkway Remnants at Half Hollow Road, Dix Hills in 2008

I remember in 1948 my Dad taking me to Stoney Brook,L.I.N.Y to see the new Tucker It was in a white storefront building on Rt.25A in front of what is now the Carriage museum.I remember seeing it and how impressed I was about this Very modern looking car ( at the time my family was diving around in a 1936 Green Olds 6 cyl. sedan)
In my stuff I found a add from that showing many years ago.

From Mark Lieberman's Journey: Hunting Down the Barn-Find Tucker 1044 in 2016

Additional documentation from Leslie’s Weekly concerning Goldfield, NV has been added.

From Kleiner's Korner: Part 3 (updated) - More States Vying for the 1907 Vanderbilt Cup Race

Hi,

Are there any photos of the front end of #1046 in this paint scheme? I’m trying to make a model of it, and I have a good idea of what it would have looked like, knowing for sure is always better.

~ Brian

From Mystery Foto #26 Solved: The Two-Tone Tucker 1046 in 1956 at Sebring, Florida

  LIMP Mystery Photo of 9/11/2020:
  1./  You are on the original LIMP in Dix Hills, NY and looking Northeasterly as it
becomes CR 67 as it meets and crosses over at Half Hollow Road east of Fox Lane.
  2,/  In fall of 2012 and in the rear of 19 Broad Oak Lane, Dix Hills, at the home of
Carmine & Arleen AURIEMMA,  the LIMP Preservation Society visited and discovered
a portion of the LIMP under years of grown brush in their backyard and this later
was a feature story in Newsday.    My Best To All and Cheers !!!  Ron Ridolph

From Mystery Foto #37 Solved: Motor Parkway Remnants at Half Hollow Road, Dix Hills in 2008

What’s a little confusing to me is that Josh Ruff says above that Bentel & Bentel designed Holterbosch’s garage to house his cars about 15 years ago and the color photo of the garage looks far newer than 1962.  So while the big auction was in ‘62, I was wondering if Holterbosch retained or added some cars in his later years and up to his death, and that’s what is shown in the photo.  Also wondering if his heirs retained any cars.

From In Search of H. Dieter Holterbosch and his W.C. Bird's Duesenberg

Someone wanted to know about the To engine Alfa that McGallister one ..It was just thet ro engines bolted together uder the hood..By the way J.P.McGallister was the owner of the Port Jefferson and Oreint Point ferry and also had a fleet of tug boatt in new yaor harbor and hudson and east rivers all Named after family .

From In Search of H. Dieter Holterbosch and his W.C. Bird's Duesenberg

Oh, this nostalgia bit is getting overwhelming!  “PI 7-”?  PIoneer 7-?  I had PIoneer 7- lines ‘way back - West Hempstead or Mineola!  Then 747- in Westbury.  Next?  [By the way, for telecom freaks, PI 7-0050 was originally PIoneer 50.  When I first met my late ex, her number had just been upgraded from FRanklin 44.]  Sam, III

From Updated: The 1940 Membership of the Long Island Aviation Club

Gary, Thanks for the very definitive and first hand post on the mural, especially the color photos.                                                                          Sam, Early on there was some doubt the mural, which was painted over a three year period starting in 1935, could be safely removed since it was applied directly to the brick wall of Hanger F.  Some 25 years after she painted it, Aline Rhonie herself got involved and was determined to save it. She hired an Italian art restoration specialist, Leonetto Tintori, and paid him $18,000 to remove it from the hanger wall which he did in 1962. As he was taking down sections, she setup shop nearby and did some restoration work. Not only that, she invited artist groups to observe her. All interested parties had to do was to call PI 7-0050 for an appointment.

From Updated: The 1940 Membership of the Long Island Aviation Club

I was just reading an account of the entire sweepstakes results in a 1908 Automobile Topics and came across this photo of Florida in the #1 Locomobile.

From Update Mystery Foto #35 Solved: Jim Florida in the #9 Locomobile at the 1908 Founders Week Cup Race

Now that you mention it, Gary, I vaguely remember that.  OK, people; who has or can find a copy we can reproduce and share?  At the very least, can we get a full copy of the mural?  HK can have a ball with Mystery Fotos of the airplanes!  Hey, while we’re on aviation murals, how about this one by Eugene Choderow (shown - and August Henkel), Oil on Canvas, Floyd Bennett Airport, W.P.A. Federal Art Project, Chodorow at work on a panel of his mural, PRIMITIVE CONCEPTS OF AVIATION, installed in the Administration Building of the Floyd Bennett Airport in Brooklyn.  Is it still there?  Again, copies and details?  Also, weren’t there such at the Marine Air Terminal at LGA?  Sam, III

From Updated: The 1940 Membership of the Long Island Aviation Club

Sam, there was a booklet published along with a key to everyone shown.  Also, the aircraft are clearly identifiable.  I hated to see it go!

From Updated: The 1940 Membership of the Long Island Aviation Club

I never realized it was that readily demountable.  For a work of this magnitude, I wonder if anyone ever published a “catalogue” and index?  Yu can easily pick out the Wrights and Earle Ovington.  Reminds me in a way of the big “mural” I posted on the inner back wall of the Roosevelt Raceway grandstand for a Girl Scout jamboree ca. 1975; it was a set of cutouts of all the major whales and dolphins in reduced scale (quarter?) with a Brownie Scout silhouette for comparison.  Does anyone remember it or did anyone take pix?  Sam, III

From Updated: The 1940 Membership of the Long Island Aviation Club

Part 3 of photos   Note that to our surprise there were also some unfinished panels stored in the custom fitted blanket coverings.  Everything was in good condition considering its age, and the fact they originally were in an hanger!

From Updated: The 1940 Membership of the Long Island Aviation Club

Part 2 of photos

From Updated: The 1940 Membership of the Long Island Aviation Club

Aline Rhonie’s mural “The Pre-Lindbergh Era of Flying on Long Island” was purchased by the Long Island Early Fliers Club (LIEFC) after her death.  It was then placed on a long term loan the the Nassau County Division of Museum Services.  It was stored in several of our collections facilities through the decades, finally winding up in storage at the County’s Sands Point Preserve.  Parts of it was at one point displayed at the Cradle of Aviation Museum (CAM) in the early 1980’s, where we had hoped the entire mural could eventually be displayed.  Unfortunately, this was never to be.  Around 2006, the LIEFC ended the loan and arranged for the mural to be donated to the Vaughn College of Aeronautics & Technology in Queens, where is was promised to be displayed in its entirety.  I don’t know if this ever happened.  I know this to be accurate as in the 1980’s I was the Ass’t Curator at CAM and involved in its display, and then as the Museum Registrar for the Nassau County Division of Museum Services I was responsible for its return to the LIEFC prior to my retirement in 2011.  I took the attached photos on November 29, 2005 while in storage at Sands Point.  [Part 1 of photos]

From Updated: The 1940 Membership of the Long Island Aviation Club

Hi, just wanted to let you know that your last picture (the 1950 aerial shot) is upside down.

From The Mystery of the "Deer Park Lodge"