Vanderbilt Cup Races

You all do good work Keep it up!

From An upcoming cover article on Long Island Motor Parkway License Plates and Vanderbilia

Hugh, Do you know where your sign came from? Please forward a Jpeg. Howard

From Mystery Foto #55 Likely Solved: A William K. Vanderbilt, Sr. "No Trespassing" Sign located on his Oakdale "Private Park" Property

Also, the first limited access highway.

And, he had plans to extend the LIMP to the Hamptons.  Never built.  You can see his plans in his notebooks at the Vanderbilt Museum.  (You have to ask as they are not usually available to the public.  The notebooks also have loads of photographs of every inch of the LIMP.)

From The Significance of the Long Island Motor Parkway

Greg, For a short while tolls were collected at the Petit Trianon Inn. As far back as when it was to be the Motor Parkway Inn the plan was to collect tolls here. There were no plans for a Ronkonkoma Lodge early on. That all changed when it was discovered that westbound traffic could enter the Parkway at Rosevale Ave and get off at the Brentwood Lodge before paying a toll. When the Bentwood lodge was closed (and it was quite often), one could ride free all the way to Route 110 in Melville. I believe it was Kienzle that brought the scenario to Vanderbilt’s attention and suggested the creation of what became the Ronkonkoma Lodge.

From The Significance of the Long Island Motor Parkway

1. Race Car & Driver:
  The White Steamer driven by Walter White.
2. Exact Location:
  Guinea Woods Turn.  Here the left front tire was lost. 
3. The Date:
  October 14, 1905
4. Identify major mechanical problem:
  Left front tire lost.  In addition, not shown the car was having engine problems.
Fun Fact:
The White was the only steamer to ever compete in a Vanderbilt Cup Race.

From Mystery Friday Foto #56 Solved: The #19 White Racer in the 1905 Vanderbilt Cup Race

Thank you for your generosity in sharing your collection with others.

From The Howard & Roz Kroplick Collection

I have a sign about like it from the Brinks Detective Company as in Brinks Armored trucks. I think it is on the wall in my shop building.

From Mystery Foto #55 Likely Solved: A William K. Vanderbilt, Sr. "No Trespassing" Sign located on his Oakdale "Private Park" Property

That’s the #19 White Steamer racer being driven by Walter C. White. He is heading south on Lakeville Road in Lake Success at the eastern border of Willie K.‘s Deepdale Estate (iron fence in background). Photo was taken on October 14, 1905 during the 1905 Vanderbilt Cup race. White’s left front tire has come off the wheel.

From Mystery Friday Foto #56 Solved: The #19 White Racer in the 1905 Vanderbilt Cup Race

Howard, Good find on locating the properties owned by Vanderbilt in the vicinity. The sign now makes some sense. I would like to think that a bridge maybe just a footbridge, was built connecting the westerly parcel to Idle Hour.

From Mystery Foto #55 Likely Solved: A William K. Vanderbilt, Sr. "No Trespassing" Sign located on his Oakdale "Private Park" Property

I’m attaching another image of the same sign that Mitch Paluszek provided a few days ago. I downloaded this from the Southside Sportsman’s Club site that shows the sign on a shelf in the Guide’s Closet in the clubhouse at Connetquot River State Park.
The origin seems convincing to me.

From Mystery Foto #55 Likely Solved: A William K. Vanderbilt, Sr. "No Trespassing" Sign located on his Oakdale "Private Park" Property

Yea, but Billy K. (as he was known by, did not “own and occupy ” nor was it a private park. More to this story ?

From Mystery Foto #55 Likely Solved: A William K. Vanderbilt, Sr. "No Trespassing" Sign located on his Oakdale "Private Park" Property

Steve, You & I didn’t have access to another sign; but we were on the right track. Sportmens Club is just north of Idle Hour.

From Mystery Foto #55 Likely Solved: A William K. Vanderbilt, Sr. "No Trespassing" Sign located on his Oakdale "Private Park" Property

I originally thought the sign might be referring to William K. Vanderbilt I and his Idlehour estate but I think Mitch has sealed the deal by providing a second sign. I’m sure W.K.V.(I) thought of himself as one of the owners of the Southside Sportsmen Club in fact (if not legally) with rights to post signs.

From Mystery Foto #55 Likely Solved: A William K. Vanderbilt, Sr. "No Trespassing" Sign located on his Oakdale "Private Park" Property

South Side Sportsmen’s Club in Great River/Oakdale (now Connetquot State Park), where Willie K (among others) was a member. (My own pic attached.)

From Mystery Foto #55 Likely Solved: A William K. Vanderbilt, Sr. "No Trespassing" Sign located on his Oakdale "Private Park" Property

I missed the mystery photo. However, the uncropped photo establishes that it must have been taken between 1936 and 1940. The home where I grew up was at 51-03 199th St., which was and remains one block west of Francis Lewis Blvd. PS 162, which is where I attended elementary school an is shown at 53rd Ave and 201st St, which is and remains one block east of Francis Lewis Blvd. Also shown is that Francis Lewis Blvd, which was a WPA project during the ‘30s, ends at Horace Harding Blvd; the extension through Cunningham Park (formerly Hilltop Park) was built somewhat later but wasn’t opened until after the War. I remember well playing in empty lots in the early ‘50s, which soon filled up with houses and stores. Most notable was Penn Fruit in ‘58, a giant supermarket built on what was commercially zoned property at Francis Lewis and Horace Harding; construction of the LIE through Fresh Meadows started in ‘57. Once the shopping center opened, the Blue Bay Diner was built. And the former Bishop Reilly HS (Parochial) on the other side of the Expressway at Francis Lewis Blvd opened in ‘62. By then, almost every empty lot had been developed, including the lot at Utopia Pkwy between 58th Ave and the expressway where Francis Lewis HS opened in ‘60, which is where I went to HS instead of having to travel to Bayside HS, which my older sister attended.

From Mystery Friday Foto #54 Solved: A Challenging Aerial in Fresh Meadows

Great report Greg! Such a memorable event. Loved every second of it.

From Highlights from the Amazing Duesenberg Open House at Waterfront in Roslyn

Thank you Howard and staff for putting on an amazing interesting open house! it was great!

From Highlights from the Amazing Duesenberg Open House at Waterfront in Roslyn

The Melville Methodist Church mentioned above would be the Little White Church in the Wildwood, built in 1810, which stands on State Route 110 north of Duryea Rd. Here’s a c.1906 real photo postcard which also shows the carriage sheds in the background where the third robber sprang out from.

From Kleiner's Korner: The Men Who Built The Motor Parkway (Part 2)

My first thought without sleuthing is that these sign may’ve been posted in or near Idle Hour in Oakdale NY, owned originally by William Kissam Vanderbilt 1. He was also a member of The Southside Sportsman’s Club nearby in today’s Connetquot State Park.

From Mystery Foto #55 Likely Solved: A William K. Vanderbilt, Sr. "No Trespassing" Sign located on his Oakdale "Private Park" Property

Scrolling through comments, and see at the bottom Page 1 of 1000. Lots of comments and pages : )

From Femenias Findings: A New Interactive Online Map of the Long Island Motor Parkway