Vanderbilt Cup Races

Howard-  What’s YOUR best guess as to the photo’s location?
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From Howard Kroplick:

Greg, at first I thought it was the Hairpin Turn. But, Bill Bellmer correctly noted the arrangement of the telephone poles was different than those seen at the turn.  It may be somewhere on Old Westbury Road near a major intersection that attracted the crowds.

From Mystery Foto #72 Solved: Arthur Duray Driving the #18 Lorraine-Dietrich During the 1906 Race

Oh well, I didn’t get a chance to get back to this, but one of my choices was right, for the car and driver anyway.

From Mystery Foto #72 Solved: Arthur Duray Driving the #18 Lorraine-Dietrich During the 1906 Race

From Mark Dill:

Thanks so much for being there. It meant a lot to me personally to have you join us. You added a lot to the show and I am gratified you enjoyed yourself. Mark

From 2014 Brickyard Invitational: Video "A Lap on the Indianapolis Motor Speedway with the Black Beast"

From Oscar Koveleski:
Thanks! Howard…You and your Ancient Auto Racer team have been rated 5 star by the PRDA…Oscar.

http://www.prdaracing.com/

From Memorable Moments From The 2014 Brickyard Invitational

The photo shows Arthur Duray with his Lorraine-Dietrich during the 1906 Vanderbilt Cup race. The location is somewhat more tricky. The car just passed a bend to the right on a seemingly rather straight part of the circuit. There is another photo shot at exact this location (showing Luttgen with his Mercedes), but probably there will be more. The electricity poles are similar to the poles alongside Jericho Turnpike at Krug’s corner, so possibly this bend is somewhere between Krug’s corner and the finish.

From Mystery Foto #72 Solved: Arthur Duray Driving the #18 Lorraine-Dietrich During the 1906 Race

Now THAT is completely AWSOME. Thanks Howard, this helps me in my pursuit to find cool roads for my motorcycle travels, its always interesting to me to find an old truncated road, or even yet a complete road to travel with the same old houses and landmarks along the way, or even an old fencepost or some other clue sticking out of the ground, reminding me that im cruising through history.  thanks again, Mike

From Video: "The Hairpin Turn of the 1906 Vanderbilt Cup Race"

I have 4 choices on this one, for the make of the car, Alco 1910, Harry Grant, Lorraine-Dietrich 1906 Arthur Duray and Mercedes 1904 William Lullgen or another Mercedes 1908 Foxhall Keene. That’s just a starter. I’ll get to the rest tomorrow

From Mystery Foto #72 Solved: Arthur Duray Driving the #18 Lorraine-Dietrich During the 1906 Race

Excellent Howard. Is there more? How fast where you going? It looks like you were going at a pace.
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From Howard Kroplick:

Ted, the Black Beast was the pace car and went 30-40 miles per hour.

From 2014 Brickyard Invitational: Video "A Lap on the Indianapolis Motor Speedway with the Black Beast"

Congratulations to the SVRA and all the participates in the first Brickyard SVRA Vintage Racing Event, hopefully this will be a yearly event for all to enjoy.                          Best regards.                                                                              Wayne Carroll Petersen                                                                                                                                                                                                         Barney Oldfield, Master Driver of the World & America’s Legendary Speed King Great Great Nephew

From 2014 Brickyard Invitational: Video "A Lap on the Indianapolis Motor Speedway with the Black Beast"

Alfred J. Kienzle was the brother of my father’s father. I am curious to know whatever I can about my ancestor. I live in northern Vermont - 8 miles from the Canadian border - but if I ever make it back down to NY again, would I be allowed to visit the cabin and see the cup?
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From Howard Kroplick

Great to hear from you. I am sure it will not be a problem with Wheatley Hills Golf Club. Please contact me at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) when you are coming to Long Island.

From Celebrating the 100th Anniversary of the Wheatley Hills Golf Cub in East Williston

Howard,
Looks like you had a terrific time.  It must be a blast to drive around the track in Indy.  Congratulations!
Rog

From Memorable Moments From The 2014 Brickyard Invitational

Captured was the 1906 Vanderbilt Cup Race on Long Island with driver Arthur Duray and mechanician Franville inside the 120hp, #18 Lorraine-Dietrich of France. This racer finished 3rd place averaging 60.7 mph. The 297 mile race was the longest of all the VCR races with 29.7 mile laps. The photo, I believe was taken in Williston Park on southbound Willis Ave (Mineola Ave) and Dartmouth St, at the precise 25mile course mark (a ‘calm’ stretch before the dangerous curve at Krugs). This location would be closest to Garden City where a hook curve appeared. Those spectators positioned as a human guardrail is definitely a problem! :O

From Mystery Foto #72 Solved: Arthur Duray Driving the #18 Lorraine-Dietrich During the 1906 Race

I believe this is the French Lorraine-Dietrich car driven by Arthur Duray in the 1906 Vanderbilt Cup Race. Since the course went mostly in a counter-clockwise direction, most of the turns were of the left-hand variety. There were a few possible right-hand turns for today’s mystery photo, however. First, the Westbury hairpin turn but that was too severe for today’s scene. Next, from I. U. Willets Road onto Willis Avenue, but that probably was not rural enough for today’s mystery. Therefore, I think today’s mystery location is at the western section of I.U. Willets Road soon after the drivers had left Lakeville Road and headed east where there was another right-hand turn.

From Mystery Foto #72 Solved: Arthur Duray Driving the #18 Lorraine-Dietrich During the 1906 Race

-Identify the car and driver.

#18 Lorraine-Dietrich driven by Arthur Duray

-Identify the Vanderbilt Cup Race.

1906 Cup Race

-Bonus: Provide your best guess of the photo’s unknown location.

Looking at the official 1906 course map, and judging by the electric/telephone wires and scenery, I’d place this at the last right-hand turn (near Red Ground Road today) at the telephone station just before the hairpin turn at Wheatley Rd/Old Westbury Rd in Old Westbury.

From Mystery Foto #72 Solved: Arthur Duray Driving the #18 Lorraine-Dietrich During the 1906 Race

love it lived on elda ln just east of ladenburg estates can’t wait cruise on it tell m to keep going to over carmen to newbridge rd.

From Pilot Section of the Motor Parkway Trail Is Under Construction in East Meadow(Updated:June 17, 2014)

I’m still confused even after looking at the 1906 course map. So then the cars would have exited 25a onto Wheatley Road ? I’m still confused as to where the cars came from before they got to Wheatley Road, as well as how long they remained on Old Westbury Road after the hairpin turn….where did they go from there ? Mike
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From Howard Kroplick

The course went down Glen Cove Road, made a left turn at Red Ground Road which in 1906 connected to Wheatley Road.

http://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/blog/article/the_course_for_the_1906_vanderbilt_cup_race

From Video: "The Hairpin Turn of the 1906 Vanderbilt Cup Race"

Victor Hemery, Darracq, 1905.  1st Place.
As for where, I really have to study some other pictures.  This is most likely not the only picture this photographer took that day.

From Mystery Foto #72 Solved: Arthur Duray Driving the #18 Lorraine-Dietrich During the 1906 Race

Ha guys, what’s going on, got ya all stumped on mystery70. That’s why I’m sticking with Joe Stafford, because I’m thinking, he worked on the cars, so maybe he wanted to participate in a race, to see how the car performs. What do you all think about that?  What happen Greg, you’re not on top of this one?

From Mystery Foto #70 Still A Mystery: Is this Dario Resta?

Howard- One more look, some time next week, with the last update. Hopefully it will be finished by then. How’d you like that car photo from Westbury Gardens?

From Pilot Section of the Motor Parkway Trail Is Under Construction in East Meadow(Updated:June 17, 2014)

Howard,  my question is, did the cars travel on Wheatley Road toward Old Westbury Road (which is now the service road to the LIE), making a right on that very turn ? Or were the two roads altered somehow because to me,  it appears different today. I was up there on my motorcycle and it seems i could only access Wheatley Road from Westbury Pond. So where did the cars come from back then and which way did they go after the hairpin turn ?  Mike
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From Howard Kroplick

The race ran down Wheatley Road and made the “hairpin” right turn on to Old Westbury Road (now the northern LIE service road). The roads have been slightly altered since 1906, but the turn is fairly close to the original site as seen by the house at 1 Wheatley Road which was there in 1906 and is still standing.
http://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/blog/article/sunday_june_28_2009_then_and_now_the_hairpin_turn_in_old_westbury

From Video: "The Hairpin Turn of the 1906 Vanderbilt Cup Race"