Vanderbilt Cup Races

I knew this one was going to be a tough one and I still can’t figure it out, too many bridges near to each other, was trying to find something I could associate with, but no luck, something to go by. All I can say that I think it’s one of these three bridges. The Plainview Road Bridge, Nibble and the Powell Ave Bridge is the best I can do. This one is for the experts.

From Mystery Foto #100 Solved:The Jerusalem Avenue Bridge in Hempstead Plains Under Construction in 1908

I have wanted to make archive quality digital photos of this album for some time.  The passing of my father in October made me realize that I had waited long enough.  The problem is I know little to nothing about the correct way to preserve this sort of historic material.

I guessed that if anyone knew about preserving historical documents of this type, it would be Howard.  So I made the best copies that I could and sent it all off in an email.  To my surprise Howard told me that the album contained photos that he had not seen before.  Below each photo is captioning that has proven to be rather useful as well.

Howard picked me up at the train station in Rosyln, and took me to see a professional with experience in the digital preservation of historical photographs.  I was impressed enough to leave the album with them for digital reproduction in a “lossless” TIFF format. 

While I want to make sure that all the descendants of William Luttgen get copies of the album, I also want to make these photos available to anyone who might be interested in downloading them.  I can’t think of anyone better to help me achieve this than Howard, and I appreciate that he has chosen to tell the album’s story on his website.

I was also fortunate that Howard had the time to give me the royal Vanderbilt Cup tour.  While much of the course has been lost to development, an amazing amount is still preserved.  Of course the highlight of my tour was a stop at Sam’s Garage where the Black Beast is being worked on.  Sam is one of those rare geniuses with the skills necessary to keep an antique car like this running.  To my astonishment, Howard told Sam to fire the Black Beast up.  What a treat - I can’t thank Howard enough.

Like you, I am looking forward to learning what Howard has discovered about the photo album.  Hope everyone enjoys it.

Robert Luttgen
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From Howard Kroplick

Bob, it was a real fun day! I wish you and the entire Luttgen family a happy and healthy 2015!

From VanderbiltCupRaces.com Exclusive:The 1908 Race Album of William Luttgen & William K. Vanderbilt, Jr.

Sorry but that album cover was NOT for the contents, the race; it was for the 1908 AAA Tour, a VERY different and far more extensive event (presumably the “Glidden” Tour of July 1908.  Your cover may be of great value in its own right!  Regardless, what a find!  Sam, III
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From Howard Kroplick

Sam III, excellent observation. All the photos in the album relate to the 1908 Vanderbilt Cup Race. My assumption is that Spooner & Wells had a spare blank leather 1908 AAA Tour album and used it for these photos.

From VanderbiltCupRaces.com Exclusive:The 1908 Race Album of William Luttgen & William K. Vanderbilt, Jr.

Ed, I will offer a theory about the 1927, based on the picture. the front end does match the Chrysler autos of that year. However, There is no apparent pump on the rig. Looks like it is being used as a hose wagon, when not used as a racing team truck. I think that a civilian Chrysler was converted to a racing team vehicle. I am a Life Member of Kings Park and reside in Pa. In our history, we had a Lincoln touring car that was cut down and modified for tournament racing, around 1931. It also served as a truck to carry brooms etc. for brush fire fighting. The modification looked nice and had nice pipe handrails running along the back. Most departments, back in those Depression days did not have too much money to buy fancy rigs for Tournament competition. With ingenuity, the volunteer firemen worked with what they had. Just my guess on its employ.  Bob

From Saturday Search Findings: Walter Chrysler's Chrysler Fire Truck (Updated: 12/25/14)

Heshy!

You never fail to please.  I had a silver split window coupe in ‘63 (Sonny bought it for me in college), but my favorite was the ‘62 before that, bought at cost from Sam Luby for $3,680. in exchange for Granddad’s getting him a box at Hialeah.  What grand old days.

Stay well,
H. Robert Greenbaum

From Video of the Week "Willie K. in an Auto Boat Race on the Hudson"

Thank you for all the weekly updates, very sad to learn about those stolen gates, i hope they are found. Could you send me a mailing address, I have some 1920’s photos from Oyster Bay that i’d like to send you copies of. Best wishes for 2015. Bob

From Summary of Saturday Searches

I had to take a break from the mystery photo this week, I was on it for about 2 hours, I think I narrowed it down to 3 bridges, but they’re so near one another. I can’t tell which one it is, very easy to make a mistake, I’ll get back to it tomorrow, I had enough of it today. That film of the Vanderbilt Race was great, that hairpin turn is the best, it shows more of what a struggle it was to make that turn, how they bounce and slide around it

From VanderbiltCupRaces.com Exclusive:The 1908 Race Album of William Luttgen & William K. Vanderbilt, Jr.

Another great mystery with many possibilities. 
This LIMP highway bridge under construction, c.1908, where the Motor pkwy ran under the bridge, is most likely located in Nassau or Suffolk with wide open fields. There appears to be a slight bend in the roadway veering towards the left, and it’s possible the LIMP further down is being prepared for construction that will turn to the left?
The straightaway under the Powell Ave bridge in Bethpage also appears to veer slightly to the left, but the landscape doesn’t seem to match the mystery in either direction.
Second possibility could be the Jerusalem Ave bridge in Hemp Plains heading west, but the grandstand site after the bridge would’ve been too close to the bridge before the road turns to the left.
Then in Queens, the roadway heading west before the Commonwealth Blvd bridge was a close match with proper road bends, but Commonwealth was a parkway bridge and was disqualified.
This could be the Wheatley Hills golfway bridge looking north (westbound) in East Williston, future site of the Midland Golf Cub established 1913. This location has a close match to the environment as well.   
This mystery is difficult. Waiting anxiously for this week’s answers once again. Thank you Art for the challenge and all the fun that followed. HAPPY AND SAFE NEW YEAR TO ALL!

From Mystery Foto #100 Solved:The Jerusalem Avenue Bridge in Hempstead Plains Under Construction in 1908

Another guess here, but I’m going with it being the Jerusalem Ave bridge since the LIMP is very straight through to the highway bridge. This could be looking East from the grandstand location.

From Mystery Foto #100 Solved:The Jerusalem Avenue Bridge in Hempstead Plains Under Construction in 1908

Hello Howard… i dropped in to see there is some recent comments .. my email has updated ..to .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  ..  best Mark

From Southampton's James L. Breese and the Vanderbilt Cup Races

Carmen Ave

From Mystery Foto #100 Solved:The Jerusalem Avenue Bridge in Hempstead Plains Under Construction in 1908

Howard,  That game looks like it would be a lot of fun.  I’ve always loved board games and wonder if it would be popular if it were reproduced.
Actually, it would probably only be popular with people of our age.  Young people are married to their electonic devices.  Thanks for sharing it with us.
Roger

From The 1907 Vanderbilt Cup Race Board Game

Its possible that the photo might have been taken after the Parkway closed. The sign board that listed the rates to use the Parkway is missing in the photo, it was usually attached to the brick column behind the couple. Also missing is the Bethpage Lodge sign, usually located in the peak area above the porte-cochere . Al

From Rare View of the Bethpage Lodge and Its Lodgekeepers

Ok I think its looking west at the Wantagh Avenue Bridge because it is being built over a street and it is a straightaway so that is my guess.

From Mystery Foto #100 Solved:The Jerusalem Avenue Bridge in Hempstead Plains Under Construction in 1908

Jerusalem Ave. bridge looking east in Levittown.
Flat terrain and straightaway road.

From Mystery Foto #100 Solved:The Jerusalem Avenue Bridge in Hempstead Plains Under Construction in 1908

I hope all of you had a Merry Christmas. This weeks mystery is a tricky one and I see why you need help with it. Thanks for the hint, it’s going to help alot

From Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy 2015!

Check out my memories of flying out of the Aviation Country Club, Hicksville, Long Island in the 1940s.
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From Then & Now: The Long Island Aviation Country Club on the Motor Parkway

Nice job on the bridge guys! It may be used someday enroute towards Lake Ronkonkoma. Who knows? This ought to be good!

From Long Island Motor Parkway Bridge Series #52: The Old Bethpage Motor Parkway Bridge

Check out those old utility poles, that really looks like an old country road. I’d give 10 schillings just to spend a day there with my modern auto and a fully charged camera.

From Mystery Foto #99: The Wright Flying Field in Mineola Circa 1916/1917

This was a very good one this week and thanks for all the extra info Frank and Art, the photos were great. What guess work Greg, expecting to be wrong with no research and me expecting to be right with no research was wrong

From Mystery Foto #99: The Wright Flying Field in Mineola Circa 1916/1917