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The six Vanderbilt Cup Races held on Long Island from 1904 to 1910 were the greatest sporting events of their day, and the first international automobile road races held in the United States. The races had a far-reaching impact on the development of American automobiles and parkways. This site provides comprehensive information on the races, the Long Island Motor Parkway and current Long Island automotive events, car shows and news.
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The 32 Ford has 106” wheelbase. 1933 on into the 1940s are 112”. Hugh
From Updated: Article "The Vanderbilt Renaults" by Marvin McFalls
The article notes that (in reference to the first Vanderbilt Cup Race) “the event was held in the family’s land on long island” that seems to be an assumption on the part of the author. Hope his statement doesn’t become fact for readers who do not know the story of the Vanderbilt Cup races , which of course they have been reading here for many years. Not trying to nit pick, but misinformation and myth often become fact if left unattended.
From Updated: Article "The Vanderbilt Renaults" by Marvin McFalls
Wonderful story about these cars. I was lucky to see Mr Gibson’s car at his home a few years ago. Minor correction, Renault didn’t win the 1903 Paris Madrid race, as it was cancelled after the first of three legs had been completed. Gabriel on a Mors was in first place at the time the race was stopped. Marcel Renault crashed and died. Louis Renault was in the lead pack, not sure where he was classified.
From Updated: Article "The Vanderbilt Renaults" by Marvin McFalls
This is a view of the LIMP circa 1928, overlooking the Wheatley Hills Golf club.
LIMP cuts through the golf course North-South. In the center of golf course is a bridge over parkway connecting two halves of golf course. Hillside avenue is left to right, on southern border. LIMP running west crosses Roslyn Road, which had a bridge.
From Mystery Foto: #42 Solved: A 1926 Aerial of the Motor Parkway & A Guide to Finding 1926/1950 Aerials
Glad to be an inspiration for this Mystery Foto, Howard!
*Location: East Williston & Williston Park
*Major Rds: LIMP, Willis Ave, Oyster Bay Branch LIRR, Roslyn Rd, Hillside Ave, Glen Cove Rd
*LIMP Bridges & Buildings: Willis Ave, Oyster Bay Branch LIRR, Roslyn Rd, Robbins La, Wheatley Hills Golfway ( was originally designated as a Farmway type for the Titus Farm ), and Hillside Ave. Large building just w/o the LIMP was originally the Titus Home, but then became the initial clubhouse for the golf course in 1913. The building further west is the present day clubhouse.
*Golf Course: Wheatley Hills
From Mystery Foto: #42 Solved: A 1926 Aerial of the Motor Parkway & A Guide to Finding 1926/1950 Aerials
Gene, fantastic find! Gonna check this out asap. That would be a most interesting to site to explore
From The Expansion of Union Turnpike and the Relocation of the Motor Parkway East of Winchester Boulevard
Fred & Robert, I enjoyed that journey back in time very much…..Thanks !!
From The Day Vanderbilt and Moses Announced the Long Island Motor Parkway Was Closing
Sam, great puzzle! If I’m correct on the divided hwy location, it’s today’s Lake Road branching off of Lakeville Rd., direct entrance to former Deepdale Estate, straight to the ‘big house.’ I think you’re onto something. Sending Howard attachments
From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: An Aerial of Glen Oaks and Lake Success Taken in 1929
Yee-hah! I found an old copy of the Nassau County aerials page and restored it: <http://sbiii.com/limpnaer.html>. The full 1926, 1950, and 2000 strip aerials are there. Also, I commend to you the full set of annotated 1942/43 topo maps:<http://sbiii.com/limpnass/4243nas1.gif> through <http://sbiii.com/limpnass/4243nas8.gif>, i.e. 4243nass1, 4243nass2, 4243nass3, 4243nass4, 4243nass5, 4243nass6, 4243nass7, and 4243nass8.gif. They run all the way across Nassau. For my next trick, I found the same topos with the LIMP RoW highlighted; <http://sbiii/limpmaps/HiLTopos/4243ns1h.gif> through <4243ns8h.gif>. <ns1h> applies to this thread. Not only those, but the full LIMP RoW - more to follow! Per ardua ad astra! Sam, III
From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: An Aerial of Glen Oaks and Lake Success Taken in 1929
Location
-LIMP section between the Willis Ave bridge and the Hillside Ave bridge
Major roads
-LIMP, Glen Cove Rd, Willis Ave, Hillside Ave.
Motor Parkway bridges and building
-Roslyn Lodge, Willis Ave bridge, LIRR bridge, Roslyn Rd, Robbins Lane, Wheatley Golfway Bridge, Hillside Ave.
Golf course
-Wheatley Hills Golf Club
From Mystery Foto: #42 Solved: A 1926 Aerial of the Motor Parkway & A Guide to Finding 1926/1950 Aerials
The location of the mystery photo is a section of the LIMP from Willis Ave to Hillside Ave. This would include the towns and villages of Albertson, Williston Park, East Williston and Old Westbury.
The major roads in the photo would be Willis Ave, Roslyn Rd, Guinea Woods Rd (Glen Cove Rd), and Hillside Ave.
LIRR Oyster Bay branch
LIMP bridges, Willis Ave, LIRR Oyster Bay branch, Roslyn Rd, Robbins Lane, Wheatley Hills, and Hillside Ave. Building - Roslyn Lodge
The golf course seen in the photo is Wheatley Hills golf club.
From Mystery Foto: #42 Solved: A 1926 Aerial of the Motor Parkway & A Guide to Finding 1926/1950 Aerials
LIMP enters left, crosses Willis Ave, LIRR, Roslyn Rd, and I am trying hard to see the farmway bridge that is supposed to be just east of Roslyn Rd. Then it turns south through Wheatly Hills Golf Club, and crosses over Hillside Ave.
I also see the old Willis House, and the old pond across Willis Avenue. I believe there was an old horse farm just east of the LIRR north of Hillside Ave. We can also see than Wheatly Hills Golf Club has expanded over the years.
We can see the old houses that were just north of the LIMP on Willis Ave on the west side. I believe at least one of those houses still stands today. The ‘Happiness Homes’ in Williston Park have not yet begun construction.
North of the LIMP east of Willis Ave we can see the street have been gridded, but no houses appear.
From Mystery Foto: #42 Solved: A 1926 Aerial of the Motor Parkway & A Guide to Finding 1926/1950 Aerials
C’mon, people! I don’t mind be(com)ing suoer-annuated but I’ve had maps galore posted for many years. The applicable 1943 topo is at <http://sbiii.com/limpmaps/seclf14r.gif>, on my LIMP Maps page 1, <http://sbiii.com/limpmap1.html>, and see also the preceding page, <http://sbiii.com/limpmaps.html>, as well. The comparative 1926, 1950, and 2000 aerial views across all Nassau, from the 2004 Bond Act project, were SUPPOSED to have been posted on my site but I can’t find them; I have the pix and, if necessary, will recreate the page with all of them. The Bond Act background, with maps, is at <http://sbiii.com/limpncpk.html> and <http://sbiii.com/limpnaer.html>; the latter is the same as the former, having apparently overwritten the latter, which should have had the aerial strips. I’ve got some work to do. Stay tuned. Sam, III
From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: An Aerial of Glen Oaks and Lake Success Taken in 1929
Great stuff Brian! How did you find that1926? More tools and investigation on the way….
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Howard Kroplick:
Frank, I asked Brian the same question. Here is his replay:
Brian: Go to https://lrv.nassaucountyny.gov/map/ Once your on the site, click Land Record Viewer; then click maps. Then it’s just a matter of zooming into an area. The site has 1926,1950 and current maps to view.
Howard This is a wonderful resource to obtain 1926 and 1950 aerials of any location in Nassau County.. Remember to keep zooming into the location until the aerial appears. If you change the view from 1926 to 1950, sometimes you need to start the process from the beginning.
From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: An Aerial of Glen Oaks and Lake Success Taken in 1929
O. K.; I give up! Marcus is divided at lower right but WHAT is the divided highway below (west of) the broad belt of trees at near-upper right (2/3 to 3/4 of the way up), starting at a large white rectangle on the right margin, please? Sam, III
From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: An Aerial of Glen Oaks and Lake Success Taken in 1929
Marcus Ave after Lakeville Rd can not be seen in the originally posted Mystery Foto. It is off to the right hand side. Marcus Ave can be seen in the expanded view photo which was later posted. The road displayed on the photo is a single lane road and not a divided highway. You can refer back to the 1939 Dolph and Stewart map and the 1927 E. Belcher Hyde map. I.U Willets Rd can be observed branching off to right at a wye just as Rt. 25D starts.
From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: An Aerial of Glen Oaks and Lake Success Taken in 1929
The road in the upper portion of the photo is New State Road or the old NYS Route 25D. This road is on the right of way of the present LIE. The road was decommissioned when the LIE was built. The future ROW of the Northern State on the top of the photo can not be seen, it would be off the photo on the right. The correct date of the photo would be 1929 as stated.
From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: An Aerial of Glen Oaks and Lake Success Taken in 1929
David, I agree with the triangular tree patch but my thoughts on Smith bridge was always focused on those two open planting patches, north and south of the LIMP. He needed the bridge to connect. To me, 11 o’clock seems not related to Smith but 3 to 9 is. Perhaps I’m reading your msg wrong. It seems the Smith bridge was situated along the east side of both his properties.
Brian, you’re in deep here.
From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: An Aerial of Glen Oaks and Lake Success Taken in 1929
I meant Lake Surprise, not Success. As to the dating, I refer to the dual highway at right center, not in the foreground. If it’s not NSP, then what is it? Was Marcus once divided between Lakeville and NHP Road? It wasn’t so in your 1955 aerial. Oh, my gosh; it IS now! Sorry ‘bout that. Marcus it is and ‘29 it may well be. Sam, III
From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: An Aerial of Glen Oaks and Lake Success Taken in 1929
Howard, the “expanded view of the aerial” that you added with Monday nights reveal showing the Vanderbilt Farmways bridge, also shows the northwest bulkhead/retaining wall (bright white) of the Smith Farmways bridge. I believe what seems to appear as a triangular patch of trees immediately to the south (pic right) of LIMP there, is really just a narrow north-south strip of trees on either side of the Smith road basically on the ramp/grade from it?? Also possibly the Smith property line as I believe the oval field above it (orientated in this pic pointing roughly between 11 to 5 o’clock) is not Smith’s?? By-the-way, that field is completely grown over with trees (woods/forest) by the 1950’s.
From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: An Aerial of Glen Oaks and Lake Success Taken in 1929
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