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Al, You’re amazing!

From Mystery Foto#18 Solved:A 1951 View of the LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge from the New York State Archives

Love these old pics. They are especially great when you intimately know the location. Having grown up around here I know all about this zone. I’m shocked at that really nice farm house and land on the east side of Glen Cove Road. Amazing. All I’ve ever known there are stores and huge parking lots. Definitely no remnants here to be found! I’m sure of that.

Al, Interesting about Voice Road. Thanks for the info. I wonder how you knew that!

From Mystery Foto#18 Solved:A 1951 View of the LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge from the New York State Archives

The large building is located on the west side of Glen Cove Rd. between the LIRR and Voice Rd. in Carle Place, the view is to the south west.  Today the building, heavily modified, is the home of a number of retail merchants. It was built in 1950 on the Charles Wick farm for the Consolidated Lithograph Co. coming from Brooklyn. At the ground breaking ceremonies the first shovel of dirt was turned by Mrs. A. J. Voice, the widow of the founder of Consolidated. You have always wondered how Voice Rd. got it’s name, right? The Motor Parkway can be seen in the distance crossing over the LIRR, barely noticeable in the upper left,  the Parkway can be seen going under Old Country Rd.

From Mystery Foto#18 Solved:A 1951 View of the LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge from the New York State Archives

Howard,  wow, what a find!  Thanks for sharing it with your friends.
Rog

From 1947 Tucker Franchise Plan Sales Tool Part II: Luxurious Features of the Tucker '48

The photo is taken over Carle place looking towards the Southwest and Mineola and Garden City.
The major roads are Glen Cove Rd, Old Country Rd, and Voice Rd.  Also observed is the LIRR mainline.
The LIMP can be seen in the background with the Mineola LIRR railroad bridge and the LIMP Old Country Rd Highway bridge.
You can observe the new warehouses on the new Voice Rd.
I would date the photo sometime around 1955.

From Mystery Foto#18 Solved:A 1951 View of the LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge from the New York State Archives

Identify the location and orientation of the Mystery Foto
- Carl Place looking about southwest.

Identify the major roads
- Glen Cove Rd is the prominent road running left to right across the center of the image. Parallel on the left is Old Country Road, and perpendicular at the top is our beloved LIMP.

Which Motor Parkway structures can be seen in the Mystery Foto?
- Overpasses on the LIRR and OCR, though the latter I can’t really make out.
 
- While I can’t ID the buildings nor collection nor dates I do note that there are echos of the rail sidings still evident in overhead shots, some of the property lines and building shapes were formed around these rails. I faintly remember reading of that business just south of the LIRR but remember none of the details nor where I read that.

From Mystery Foto#18 Solved:A 1951 View of the LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge from the New York State Archives

Looks like a Fairchild aerial, October 15, 1951 looking northeast over Carle Place, with Glen Cove running diagonally across the bottom under the LIRR.
The Macy’s Furniture Outlet is at center.

From Mystery Foto#18 Solved:A 1951 View of the LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge from the New York State Archives

Al Velocci has discovered a presentation that supports one of the Regional Plan Association’s transit improvements offered as a contribution the NYC’s master plan in mid June 1938. The plan called for Cross Island Blvd to run to the intersection of the Stewart (Central RR) right-of-way, where it could connect to North Hempstead Tpke, as Al’s discovery shows. By extending CIB to the Stewart right-of-way, someone at RPA may have still thinking about a “Stewart Parkway,” an idea that had been floated by Queens civic leaders for about a decade.

Robert Moses rejected the RPA’s suggestions by memorably saying that there was “no talent” at the RPA, among other things. One week later, Moses was much nicer addressing the first-day bicyclists! Ironically, Moses later become instrumental in extending Francis Lewis Blvd further south.

(Also shown is a segment of Underhill Avenue that was built much later but then later demapped for private use by St. Francis Prep.)

From The Western Terminus of the Motor Parkway in Fresh Meadows Circa 1938

I think we’re looking west-south-west over Carle Place with Glen Cove Road going left to right through the middle. If that’s true, then Old Country Road would be near the upper left corner. The LIMP structures would be the bridges over the LIRR and under Old Country Road. Just a guess for the date but I’m thinking around 1955. No clue for the other questions.

From Mystery Foto#18 Solved:A 1951 View of the LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge from the New York State Archives

Couldn’t be easier - that huge roof - General Bronze on Stewart Avenue in Garden City - oops - NOT AT ALL!  Well, then, obviously American Bosch-ARMA on Old Country Road - NAH!  This is probably on the LIRR Main Line and the sidings should be a dead give-away.  Trouble is - they don’t do me! The two middle close-ups aren’t!  Ya got me, Frank!  This one’ll be another “We’ll, duh!”, eh?  Sam, III

From Mystery Foto#18 Solved:A 1951 View of the LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge from the New York State Archives

‘Way to go, Dave and Sam!  I so enjoy most of this, except the all-too-vivid memory of all the thorns, prickers, brambles, and such I pushed through - NO!  Almost as vivid as the scratches and pin-pricks which resulted.  I don’t recall seeing those concrete blocky thingies but assumed they are remnants of an entryway.  O, THAT mansion - thanks, Dave; I’m so used to it being a facility that I clean forgot about Bagatelle!  As to the RoW across today’s LIE, Frank F., you of the fab. overlays, HELP!  I always thought the tree lines shown now on my satellite view <http://sbiii.com/limpsuff/lie-xing.jpg>, just SE of my highlights, were the RoW.  Could I prevail on you to take us from Butterfly Park up to Half Hollow Hills Road in your inimitable, precise manner, please?  This is why I always wanted the MP Panel and now the Pres. Soc. to post a full strip map of the entire RoW.  Sam, III

From Sam & Dave's "Excellent Motor Parkway Hike" IX:To the Finish Line at Half Hollows Hills

Hugh Nutting brought home a Honda sports car from his military service in Japan and let me drive it before he was courting my sister. I would like to hear from him, now.

From From the Hugh Nutting Collection: Insight into the Woodies of Huntington's J.T. Cantrell and Company

Great find, Howard.  “Oversized”?  Bet it had about the same interior dimensions as the Hudson.  Sam, III

From 1947 Tucker Franchise Plan Sales Tool Part II: Luxurious Features of the Tucker '48

View looking southwest in Carle Place.
Old Country Road top left corner, Glen Cove Road diagonal left to right in middle of photo
Old Country Motor Parkway bridge, LIRR Motor Parkway bridge
Consolidated Lithographers, Woodall Industries, Island Building Blocks, structures of the Smith or Hicks farms. 
NYS Digital collection
Oct. 15, 1951

From Mystery Foto#18 Solved:A 1951 View of the LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge from the New York State Archives

Nice group of aerials!  Keep up the good work.

Ken

From The Western Terminus of the Motor Parkway in Fresh Meadows Circa 1938

I grew up on 199th St. near 53rd Ave; my parents bought a new house there in 1952.  So I know the are well. The big aerial was most probably taken at the end of 1936 or during 1937.
1.  My public school (PS 162) can be seen at the corner of 201st St. and 53rd Ave., with houses across the street. The school opened in 1936, the same year that Bayside High School opened.
2.  Cross Bay Blvd., as indicated in the article, had its name changed to Francis Lewis to avoid a conflict with the new Cross Island Parkway, which opened towards the end of 1938 in preparation for the new Whitestone Bridge, which opened in 1939, and the ‘39-‘40 World’s Fair. The ongoing construction, when considered with the existence of PS 162, implies that the photo was taken at the end of 1936 or during 1937.

From The Western Terminus of the Motor Parkway in Fresh Meadows Circa 1938

I enjoy reading of the Tucker’s progress and informative articles and brochures. Thank you for sharing your experience each week. You make it as if I were part of the process. Tucker has always struck me as a vehicle that would have revolutionized the car industry and put it self 40 to 50 years ahead of the competition. Again keep up the good work and God Bless.

Don

From 1947 Tucker Franchise Plan Sales Tool Part II: Luxurious Features of the Tucker '48

Dave, speaking of drainage systems,  about 16 years ago I explored the path of the LIMP east and west of Bagatelle.  At that time I did notice drainage pipes emanating from the sides of the ridges carrying the LIMP, one east of Bagatelle just north of the power lines and one on the east of Bagatelle across from Threepence.  I would imagine the brambles in the area may make them hard to see.  There is a photo of one of them on what is left of Sam Berliner’s old LIMP website.

From Sam & Dave's "Excellent Motor Parkway Hike" IX:To the Finish Line at Half Hollows Hills

The picture is over Carle Place, looking southwest.  The LIRR is seen crossing over what is today Glen Cove Rd.  Voice Rd heads west.  Old Country Rd is seen in the upper left.  The LIMP Mineola bridge crosses the LIRR in the upper middle.  To the left the parkway will dip down and go under Old Country Rd.  I do not know the names of the buildings.  The building on the right, I believe, is still there.  The small warehouse spur of train tracks, for many years, wound through the area.  Up by the LIRR itself, a small portion of those tracks are still there.  It took a few moments to get my bearings on this.  But great picture.

From Mystery Foto#18 Solved:A 1951 View of the LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge from the New York State Archives

I need to revise my answer and include the Old Country Rd Bridge as a LIMP structure as it was still standing until the 1960’s.

From Mystery Foto#18 Solved:A 1951 View of the LIRR Motor Parkway Bridge from the New York State Archives