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Can’t remember and can’t make out something vertical in the distance which I believe is the vital clue.  However, this is EXACTLY the kind of works progress picture Willie took or had taken in profusion and printed in the missing booklet I note at <http://sbiii.com/limpkwy0.html#limpbklt>.  Has anyone actually visited the Hempstead Public Library to search for it in the archives?  That would be one of the LIMP finds of the century!  Sam, III

From Mystery Foto #21 Maybe Solved: The Clinton Avenue Motor Parkway Bridge Under Construction in 1909?

...love the comparison to all the MLB stadiums combined!

From 1947 Tucker Franchise Plan Sales Tool Part III: The Plant, Indy Track Testing and the Executive Team

Strike 1 for me, trickier than I thought. A 1909 Parkway type bridge running east –west (photo looking south), with power lines running perpendicular to LIMP, along the west side of the roadway below.

Two possibilities with such an arrangement; Willis Ave and Round Swamp Rd.

Since Round Swamp Rd had a hill below it’s curved bridge, I’ll go with Willis Ave parkway bridge. Good luck on this one folks

From Mystery Foto #21 Maybe Solved: The Clinton Avenue Motor Parkway Bridge Under Construction in 1909?

Howard - In your last paragraph before the profile, you give his winning date as November 11, 1911. Since the prior error was copied for years, you don’t want a typo to start a new sequence of errors. As always, I enjoy your Sunday posts. Ken
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Howard Kroplick
Ken, good catch. Copy has been corrected.

From Correcting the Vanderbilt Cup Race Record of Washington Augustus Roebling II

*ID LIMP bridge/rationale:  My personal best guess is the soon to be Half Hollow Pkwy Bridge in Wheately Heights. This overpass was completed “around 1910”.

*Likely orientation of photographer/rationale:  East or West. East sits right with me after viewing the aerials on the site here. Some of you excel at figuring sunlight and shadows with these images, but not I.

Happy Memorial Day to All!

From Mystery Foto #21 Maybe Solved: The Clinton Avenue Motor Parkway Bridge Under Construction in 1909?

the car is indeed a 1931 Plymouth model PA. My first car purchased in 1963 was a similar car , with a rear mounted spare. 4 cylinder, juice brakes and all steel body. Very well built and fast for a 4 cylinder car.

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Clinton Avenue Bridge looking north?

From Mystery Foto #21 Maybe Solved: The Clinton Avenue Motor Parkway Bridge Under Construction in 1909?

Mr. Roeblings assistance in guiding passengers to safety was alike to Mr. Vanderbilt’s actions on the Lusitania. Real courage in the face of tragedy.

From Correcting the Vanderbilt Cup Race Record of Washington Augustus Roebling II

Thanks Gordon for the interesting challenge. Likely facing S (sharp angle of sunlight under the bridge). If facing E, the wall would’ve lit up more. At about 2PM in the afternoon, they’re wearing long sleeves (likely not summertime), not in Levittown (missing the flat plains), bridge slightly off perpendicular to the roadway below (about 95 deg), power lines present, likely a highway/farmway bridge.

Definitely not Mayan Ruins (though it could’ve been), not Nibbe’s (missing Deadman’s Curve #2 just after, the infamous 135 jog). I’ll go with Powell Ave highway bridge on this one, with Central (Bethpage) Park to the left. The power lines are in the approx correct location as today. What fun! Hope I’m right, can’t wait for the answer. Let’s go Howard, speed it up!

From Mystery Foto #21 Maybe Solved: The Clinton Avenue Motor Parkway Bridge Under Construction in 1909?

Broad Hollow Road ~ Route 110 looking North, with space on East side for Cross Island Railroad tracks.

From Mystery Foto #21 Maybe Solved: The Clinton Avenue Motor Parkway Bridge Under Construction in 1909?

First try is: NY Route 110 looking North as there is a second opening which might be
for the Trolley Line.
Second try is Clinton Road, Garden City, again with a second lane opening.
No much else to go on for identification.      CHEERS,    Ron

From Mystery Foto #21 Maybe Solved: The Clinton Avenue Motor Parkway Bridge Under Construction in 1909?

I am going with Westbury Ave.
Why you ask?

The LIMP built three bridges in the original build that were larger and wider than standard highway bridges.  These bridges had trestle type support beams in the center supporting the structure.  One of these bridges was over Broadhollow Rd in Melville, sporting an opening for the trolley line that ran from Amityville to Huntington.  But you say this picture is from 1909, and that bridge was built in 1910.  At least that is what I know.

This leaves Westbury Ave and Clinton Rd in Garden City.  How did I narrow this down?  (1) I do not believe the telephone pole and wires we see in this picture were along Clinton Rd.  I have no evidence to support this either way at Westbury Ave.  (2) As I closely examine the picture, I am not convinced it is Clinton Rd.  The support wall on the right side of the picture looks more narrow.  (3)  I just feel it is way more likely a picture of the Westbury Rd bridge would have stayed hidden and unpublished than the one in Garden City.

Final Answer.  The 1909 Built out of the Westbury Ave bridge of the LIMP.

Once again thanks to everyone who supplies this pictures.  This is fun.

From Mystery Foto #21 Maybe Solved: The Clinton Avenue Motor Parkway Bridge Under Construction in 1909?

Identify the Motor Parkway bridge. Provide a rationale.
-Clinton Rd bridge; notable for it’s additional center supports which are unique even to other LIMP bridges with additional supports.

What is the likely orientation of the photographer? Provide a rationale.
-Utility poles on the East side; looking Northward up Clinton.

From Mystery Foto #21 Maybe Solved: The Clinton Avenue Motor Parkway Bridge Under Construction in 1909?

REGARDING TUCKER #1007 MY FATHER WAS A TUCKER FRANCHISE OWNER AND I HAVE MANY UNTOLD STORIES ABOUT HIS TUCKER#1007 AND THE TUCKER FRANCHISE

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MY FATHER DAVID GRAVER WAS THE OWNER OF TUCKER # 1007 WHICH HE PURCHASED AT THE BANKRUPTCY AUCTION FOR $1,700 TO SHOW SOMETHING FOR HIS LOSS OF $50,000.00 THE COST PAID TO PRESTON TUCKER FOR HIS AREA FRANCHISE IN NEW JERSEY.

AT THE UNVEILING OF THE CARS TO THE PUBLIC ALL DEPOSITS TAKEN FOR DELIVERY WERE NOT RETURNED AS THE MONEY WAS SENT TO PRESTON TUCKER AND SUPPOSEDLY PUT INTO ESCROW ACCOUNTS. ALL MY FATHER EVER RECEIVED AS A FRANCHISE OWNER WERE RADIOS, SLIPCOVERS AND LUGGAGE THAT WAS SOLD ALONG WITH THE CARS AS AN INCENTIVE TO BE FIRST IN LINE FOR DELIVERY. THIS ALL HAPPENED WHEN I WAS TEN OR ELEVEN I WILL BE SEVENTY NINE SHORTLY.

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Gordon, I’ll ask you the sam question I asked Thomas that’s become sort of a personal infatuation 😊

You say you spent the 50’s in a house in bethpage right next to the LIMP. The late 50’s is when construction on 135 began. I’m wondering if you know or if you have pictures that would be amazing, but can you tell us where, starting at Central Ave and heading north, where exactly the the LIMP run in relation to the newly constructed seafood/oyster bay?? We have to figure this out one day! I hope you can help. Thank you.

From VanderbiltCupRaces.com Exclusive: From the Lodgekeeper's Family Archives-The Garden City Lodge

Thanks for sharing Gordon’s memories of growing up near the LIMP, Greg. Very neat that he experienced the pkwy at different locales. Very nice photo of Mr. Ernst and daughter Emma. Is Emma your mom, Gordon?

From VanderbiltCupRaces.com Exclusive: From the Lodgekeeper's Family Archives-The Garden City Lodge

Ken Curtis Jr.
Relative to your post concerning identifying the Chrysler serial number badge find above copy of 1934 and prior models serial and production information along with the Fedco code system explained. This style badge and the Fedco system was employed on Chrysler cars at least from 1924-29.

From Mystery Foto #20 Solved: A Fedco Vehicle Number Plate for a 1926 Chrysler Model G70-6

Before Chrysler became involved in the automotive business, he was a railroad man. My guess is that this badge is more railroad than automobile, pre 1920.

From Mystery Foto #20 Solved: A Fedco Vehicle Number Plate for a 1926 Chrysler Model G70-6

...love those Tucker photos and stories!

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