Vanderbilt Cup Races

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From Update: Restoration of a section of the Motor Parkway in Garden City

I believe this is the sister car to old 16. In 1906, Locomobile made two almost identical race cars,  numbered #1 and #16 for the 1908 Vanderbilt Cup Race. The number 1 car was painted white while the number 16 was painted grey. This picture was evidently taken in 1906. The driver may be Joe Florida. Most people know old 16 still exists and is in the hands of The Henry Ford Museum but the #1 car, the one pictured above, has been restored and is in a private collection. Both cars passed from racing history to Andrew Riker, chief engineer at Locomobile.  Peter Helck owned both cars.

This car is easily distinguishable from its sister car by the wheels and color, though black and white photos are tricky when it comes to color. Old 16 sports a much heavier wheel construction.

From Mystery Foto #21 Solved: 1906 90 HP Locomobile with designer A.L. Riker, driver Joe Tracy and mechanician Al Poole on Riverside Drive, Manhattan

I saw you pass by on nothern Blvd. I thought you were headed for Macy’s until I read this blog 20 hours after the show! The randevue was at Daiseys place.

From Chrysler's Chrysler returning home to Kings Point today

The location looks like Manhattan somewhere, maybe Hell’s Kitchen. More research needed.

From Mystery Foto #21 Solved: 1906 90 HP Locomobile with designer A.L. Riker, driver Joe Tracy and mechanician Al Poole on Riverside Drive, Manhattan

NICE WORK GUYS

From Update: Restoration of a section of the Motor Parkway in Garden City

The driver looks a little like Victor Hemery and maybe there’re on 5th. Avenue, NYC near Vanderbilt’s house but that’s all I’ve got. Didn’t have much time this weekend. Looking forward to the answers.

From Mystery Foto #21 Solved: 1906 90 HP Locomobile with designer A.L. Riker, driver Joe Tracy and mechanician Al Poole on Riverside Drive, Manhattan

Thanks Lee!

From Greg O's Garage: Removable rims and their impact on early motoring and racing

Beautiful!

From Stahls Automotive Museum acquires a 1963 Chrysler Turbine car

Greg, the michelin photos above are from the French National library, Gallica.  Google it if you are not familiar.  Wonderful hi-res photos are available online for free.

From Greg O's Garage: Removable rims and their impact on early motoring and racing

Greg, the modern recreation wheel that I posted above is Christie’s final racing car of 1909.  It’s a current photo from the complete car recreation which is underway as we speak.  Christie’s wheel patent shows the bracket details. I think the problem with Christie’s wheel is that the spokes are a casting, so the 12 spokes are unlikely to come from the foundry exactly equally spaced about 360 degrees.  That requires machining each casting perfectly so all the rims and wheels are interchangeable. My email is leestohr at teleport.com if you wish to discuss further.  Your in depth research on this subject is excellent and fascinating to me, at least.

From Greg O's Garage: Removable rims and their impact on early motoring and racing

The Road behind the houses, parallel to Motor Pkwy is a paper street.  It used to be more identifiable (when I moved in 38 years ago).  Its the extension of Cherokee Street.

From The Motor Parkway Toll Collection Structures:#19 and #20 The Ronkonkoma Toll Gate & Ronkonkoma Lodge

And the bodies of water haven’t changed much till today, Art.

From The fate of Willie K's Deepdale mansion in Lake Success

The last Tracy photo is a different Locomobile as the radiator is not rounded at the top and more squared off like Old 16.

From Mystery Foto #21 Solved: 1906 90 HP Locomobile with designer A.L. Riker, driver Joe Tracy and mechanician Al Poole on Riverside Drive, Manhattan

Couldn’t come up with anything with this photo in researching, so I’ll have to go with a guess with what’s in my empty noggin….

Looks to be the Locomobile Joe Tracy raced in the 1906 Elimination trials and Cup Race. The only 2 people I am sure about are A. (Andrew) L. (Lawrence) Riker vice-president of Locomobile, and Joe Tracy in the driver’s seat. Standing next to the Loco in googles, I’ll assume it to be Al Poole. The gentleman in the mechanician seat and the other towards the front of he vehicle I do not know. This is in 1906, and judging by other photos, this could be Riverside Drive in NYC.

While going through the Peter Helck archives, I found some other photos with connections to the mystery photo. Unsure if these are unpublished or not, but are originally from the Austin Clark collection.
The first, is another photo of Joe Tracy and A.L. Riker in the Loco, with an unidentified person in front of the vehicle. The second, Joe Tracy in the mystery photo Loco (or sister car) stripped of all the extras and ready to race. And third, Joe Tracy and Al Poole in the Loco also on Riverside Drive in NYC.

From Mystery Foto #21 Solved: 1906 90 HP Locomobile with designer A.L. Riker, driver Joe Tracy and mechanician Al Poole on Riverside Drive, Manhattan

Hello, Please, does anyone know the color of the Renault that Raffalovich was driving at Brighton Beach 1909 24 hr race. Blue or red.

Thanks!

From Updated: Article "The Vanderbilt Renaults" by Marvin McFalls

The house is still standing as a private residence with 2021 taxes at $51,000. 
Here’s an article about three small lakes that were created at the direction of Willie K. From the Brooklyn Daily Eagle, May 27, 1905.

From The fate of Willie K's Deepdale mansion in Lake Success

Glad that this plan is still in the works!

From Update: Restoration of a section of the Motor Parkway in Garden City

Greg. Allow me a nit-picking correction of of the caption accompanying your modern day photo of the Jericho Tpke./Glen Cove Rd. intersection. I agree the photo was taken from that point but technically not taken from Glen Cove Rd., at the time known as Clinton Rd., because in 1906 the northern terminus of Clinton Rd. was about 300 feet east of today’s straight alignment. I believe they became one road late 1940’s-early 1950’s.

From Mystery Foto #20 Solved: Driver Walter Christie and mechanician Lewis Strang practicing in a 1906 Christie on Guinea Woods Road

This is a older Mystery Photo that solved some time ago, But Greg O. bought up about fence issue, so I decided to bring up the car issue. The correct Franklin model is 1914 Series 6 Touring, that I had identified in April 26,2020 again, note the windshield and the small auxiliary lamps by the windshield matches in the old photo, the headlights? The second photo taken during Howard’s Tucker restoration at Ida Automotive open house, on the under the manifold and other things is this Franklin on this engine.

From Mystery Foto #16 Solved: The Lakeville Road Entrance to the Great Neck Lodge in 1914

From “Cycle and Automobile Trade Journal”, October 1, 1907.  Wonder who the “hostile influences” were that caused the demise of the stock car proposal.

From Kleiner's Korner: Part 5 - A Proposed 2 Day 1907 Vanderbilt Cup Race on LI