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Great post. Love the then and now photos. Great work Frank.

I wonder if Arthur jasper logs on to this site? I didn’t ask him when I met him. He is quite the history buff and he is well aware of his backyard and has many other artifacts in his home, which he happily gave us a tour of. Really nice guy. Hard to imagine that LIMP stretch will survive if that house gets sold.

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Motor Parkway Remnants Between Russell Road and Pell Terrace in Garden City

Howard and the rest of us definitely appreciate rememberances of those who lived near the LIMP. Thanks, Bill Harrison.

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Motor Parkway Remnants Between Russell Road and Pell Terrace in Garden City

Herricks school district is one of LI’s oldest districts(1813).  Park Ave school was definitely in the Herricks district. The school closed down in 1971 and became a Boces until torn down for new housing. They closed down the school for economic reasons.  The Searingtown elementary school off of I.U. Willets Rd was opened in 1951 to serve Albertson and Searingtown.  The Herricks and Mineola school districts were divided by Willis Ave from Hillside Ave basically to the Northern State Parkway. This split Albertson and Williston Park in half.

It must of been real hard for Albertson students who lived on the other side of the Motor Parkway to get to school.  No wonder they had problems with trespassing and damaging the fences thus the need for a bridge or subway.

From Malverne Treasure #2: A Proposed Footbridge and Subway in Albertson/Williston Park

I reposted this pic from newsday on the I grew up in garden city facebook page.  Someone with knowledge posted this reply:
That photo was taken in the backyard of the Stewart’s on Russell Road . The kids are climbing into the yard of the Wroldsen’s. I lived in the yard beyond the second fence and the basketball hoop was nextdoor in the Allio’s yard. Eventually, the hoop made its way to my yard where it also doubled as a hockey goal when it was cold enough to flood for skating.

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Motor Parkway Remnants Between Russell Road and Pell Terrace in Garden City

Howard, what a great aerial photo of the section.

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Motor Parkway Remnants Between Russell Road and Pell Terrace in Garden City

How come I didn’t notice that tower to the upper right? Ugh! If I noticed that from the start, I wouldn’t have needed to RESEARCH it so DEEPLY. A visit to the library is never a waste of time, besides.

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Motor Parkway Remnants Between Russell Road and Pell Terrace in Garden City

I spent a GOOD amount of time at the Sachem Public Library searching the NEWSDAY ARCHIVES ( 1950 thru 1970 -“Standalone Images” ), but no luck. Really wanted to solve this one. However you came across this image, Art; it’s an excellent photo. Maybe I was distracted by the pretty lady librarians, lol.

This photo looks to be from the 1950’s/ 1960’s. The location? Don’t know. I can picture several areas in Nassau County. I’ll check in later tonight/tomorrow. Congrats to the solvers. BDM

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Motor Parkway Remnants Between Russell Road and Pell Terrace in Garden City

Are you sure that E.H. Brown was a engineer for the parkway?  Could it be that he was a lawyer for the parkway?  The letters Esq sometimes refers to an esquire or lawyer.  Could it be possible that E.H. Brown was asking Willie K for the legal requirements and specs for bridges in reference to the New York Central and New Haven railroads?
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From Howard Kroplick
Frank, E.H. Brown is listed as the Motor Parkway engineer on several of the Malverne treasure chest blueprints.

From Malverne Treasure #1: A Letter from William K. Vanderbilt, Jr.

The quality of the photo is poor due to the reprinting.  You can observe in the upper right hand corner a electrical high tension tower.  There are a few locations along the parkway that matches up to the photo.
Due to the location of the tower, the gentle curve of the parkway, and other characteristics I determined that this section of remnants is in Garden City. 
The location of the photo is in the rear yards of the houses on Russell Rd.  This would be between Russell Rd and Pell Terrace near Kenwood Rd.
I later went and read the article from Newsday.  The time of the photo would be slightly before the Newsday printing of the article on 10/24/58.

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Motor Parkway Remnants Between Russell Road and Pell Terrace in Garden City

From what I gleaned, his engineers knew of the abandoned roadway abutments at that site, which would make it cheaper to cross the depressed LIRR (C RR of L I) at that point, rather than make a whole new crossing.

From Malverne Treasure #1: A Letter from William K. Vanderbilt, Jr.

Sorry guys, I know, I have been a little excitable today. 

I did just visit the Town of North Hempstead driveway on the LIMP old ROW.  I went to examine the fence between the old Park Ave School and LIMP.  There is no remnant there of any old fencing.  It is not exactly new fencing.  But it is all standard wood stockade fencing or chain link.

-joe

From Malverne Treasure #2: A Proposed Footbridge and Subway in Albertson/Williston Park

As another side note the this area.  My brother’s mother in law grew up living at 297 Park Avenue.  There was only one house between her home and the LIMP.  She told me as a young girl she would sleep in the upstairs bedroom.  She said the headlights from cars heading west on the LIMP would shine into her room as they came up and over the Willis Avenue LIMP bridge. 

The Park Avenue school stood until the mid to late 1970’s, and was destroyed by fire. 

When the Town expanded Albertson Park they build new baseball fields.  Although the Town of NH uses their highway yard on LIMP right of way, the actual LIMP northern edge ran up what is today the third base foul line of the little league field.

-joe

From Malverne Treasure #2: A Proposed Footbridge and Subway in Albertson/Williston Park

To answer Bob Andreocci, I am fairly certain Park Avenue was part of the Herrick’s District. 

-joe

From Malverne Treasure #2: A Proposed Footbridge and Subway in Albertson/Williston Park

I live on San Juan Ave in Albertson since 1972.  My home is just a few hundred yards west of where this bridge was proposed.  I used to know the old resident at 111 Sigsbee.  He told me he moved into that house in 1926.  (A rather large new construction home replaced this old home within the last 15 years.)  The LIMP ran just outside his back door.  He used to tell me how there was nothing but open farm fields all the way to Hillside Ave back then. 

If this is true, and his home was built by 1926, then the proposal would have to have been just east of his property.  Since his house would have already been standing.  The Nassau Co property site only lists the construction date for the current newer home.  I could not use their on-line portal to verify when the original home on the site was built. 

The previous resident at 121 Sigsbee told me he was offered a triangular piece of property, owned by Nassau County that ran on the south side of Sigsbee from his home to the corner of Dewey Ave.  The county offered it to him for $500 on or about 1961, or the time that Nassau decided to sell the LIMP right of way to home owners along Sigsbee & Schley Ave on the North, and William Street on the south side.  He did not buy the property because he was advised he would never be able to build on it.

The eventual owner land filled the property and was able to build a home at 125 Sigsbee Ave.  He basically buried over the LIMP to do so.  Eventually, in 1986, a home was built at 27 Sigsbee Ave.  Before that a couple of standard height cement LIMP posts stood on that property.  They were not anything out of the ordinary as described in the letter you posted about a 6’ barrier.

Growing up along there in the 1970’s, and playing manhunt games in the area frequently I never once recall seeing any remnants of a large fence structure.  Of course, by then, suburbia was taking over, and by no means does that mean it was not there.  I never spoke to the old timer there about any fence out behind his home.  Or if I did, I certainly do not remember.

I know my next store neighbors were a bit older than me.  They went to the Park Avenue elementary school in the early 1960’s.  Every day, they told me, they walked out behind our homes onto Schley Ave, then the LIMP, and walked up the LIMP to school.  They said it was all open back then.  Anecdotally, I was told it was not until the newer homes were built on the former LIMP right of way at the bottom of the dead end street on Schley Ave did anyone begin to fence in the LIMP property and shut it down as a regular waking path. 

In the fall of 1974 I went back behind a friends home near Sigsbee & Dewey to dig up some worms for a fishing trip.  I crawled up this small hill and began to dig.  Just a foot away was some ‘sidewalk’ grown over in the woods.  It was the first time I noticed a piece of the Parkway.  By the following summer, as I ran into more and more ruins around the neighborhood I began to seriously wonder why someone built and old sidewalk and then left it in the woods. 

I know this post was a bit long.  I hope someone reads it.  😊

-joe

From Malverne Treasure #2: A Proposed Footbridge and Subway in Albertson/Williston Park

I’m just going to take a wild guess on the location for this one: between Jericho Turnpike and Westbury Avenue in Carle Place. Judging by the short hair cuts and black hi-top sneakers on the boys, I’ll guess around 1958 for the date.

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Motor Parkway Remnants Between Russell Road and Pell Terrace in Garden City

From Bob H.

Great STUFF…...CONGRATS for all this wonderful work!!!!

From Malverne Treasure #2: A Proposed Footbridge and Subway in Albertson/Williston Park

I’m a bit confused.  Did the children living north of William St, which was Albertson, going to the Park Avenue School?  I guess there was no Herricks School district yet.  very cool info though,  Thanks.  Bob A

From Malverne Treasure #2: A Proposed Footbridge and Subway in Albertson/Williston Park

Congrats Howie.
Just heard about this fron Darrell.
Enjoy this gorgeous addition to your collection.

Andy

From Tucker 1044 Receives a Big Welcome at Waterfront at Roslyn

I’m guessing Levittown, near where the grandstand stood.  Looks like a section that’s closed off with a chain link fence now.

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Motor Parkway Remnants Between Russell Road and Pell Terrace in Garden City

Bill Hamlin was a great guy, lived in Ontario, Ca. was an aerospace engineer if I recall. He had a really nice 32 Franklin Airman sedan as well. We had a lot of communications via mail when he was alive. He told me if I came out for a visit he would take me for a ride in one of his Tuckers (he had two) at the Ontario Speedway where he knew the owners. Promised me a 100 mph ride and said he had his Tuckers at that speed on that raceway many times. He wanted to buy one new but couldn’t find one to buy anyplace when they went on sale so finally bought one from someone in 1952. Bill was an amazing mechanic and also owned a 1939 Graham sharknose Combination coupe that was profiled in one of the first issues of Special Interest Autos magazine (now Hemmings Classic Car) Bill also created a 1935 Franklin Olympic coupe - Franklin stopped production in 1934, but used the Reo/Hayes car of the era for everything but the engine in 1932-34 Franklin Olympic models . So Bill took a 1935 Reo Royale coupe, fitted a 1932 Franklin engine, fabricated a manifold to fit two carburetors, put in a Columbia overdrive, but left the exterior totally stock original. He said he used to take it out and kids in hot rods would pull up next to him thinking here is an old man in an old used up car. He motioned for them to race when the traffic light turned green and always blew their doors off and won the race. The combination of the dual carbs on a well reworked engine and Columbia overdrive made that one very fast car. It still exists in the upper midwest.

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