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The six Vanderbilt Cup Races held on Long Island from 1904 to 1910 were the greatest sporting events of their day, and the first international automobile road races held in the United States. The races had a far-reaching impact on the development of American automobiles and parkways. This site provides comprehensive information on the races, the Long Island Motor Parkway and current Long Island automotive events, car shows and news.
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Tom, thanks so much for providing this information!
From Mystery Foto #8 Partially Solved:A Humidor Vanderbilia from the Simeone Foundation Automotive Museum
Possibility of Bloomingdale Rd - maybe not so unlikely that the photographer was positioned south of this Hwy Bridge during construction. The boundary fencing on both sides of the Bloomingdale south of the LIMP could have extended to the ROW fencing east & west. Being that the parkway built the bridge, doing SOME road paving on both sides seems like a good idea, but certainly not the ENTIRE roadway.
From Mystery Friday Foto #45 Still Open for Discussion: A Motor Parkway Bridge Built on a Curve
Thanks Brian - makes sense since so much of what I’m looking at (and the surveys in Howard’s possession) use the term “station”. This info. will help identify some locations and structures I’ve had a hard time determining.
From Kleiner's Kolumn: Revisiting the Transformation of the Motor Parkway into Salisbury Park Drive
Although blurry, this may be in the early stages of the bridge.
From Garden City Archives: The "Snake Turn" of the 1908-1910 Courses of the Vanderbilt Cup Races
Fred,
I just came upon your Vanderbilia photo, with the question about your silver box.
This was cigar box that was created in the 1990s by the London silversmith, Glynn Lambert. It is silver plated box with a mahogany interior. The image that Glynn etched into the top is his interpretation of the 1904 Vanderbilt Cup pochoir art that Montaut displayed in his book, “10 Ans de Courses 1897-1907”.
As far as I know, only 2 of these boxes were created. I own the second.
From Mystery Foto #8 Partially Solved:A Humidor Vanderbilia from the Simeone Foundation Automotive Museum
Interesting info Art, thank you. ‘Station’ is used in the plans here, and I thought it was strictly a LIMP construction term. Defined as a unit of measurement between points in surveying.
From Kleiner's Kolumn: Revisiting the Transformation of the Motor Parkway into Salisbury Park Drive
Mike - yes, always fun to be near what I am researching. Brings it a bit closer to home. Very interesting what was there before - makes you wonder what changes will take place over the next 100 years or so.
Al - thanks. Bob Reed according to some searches on google was a firefighter with the East Meadow Fire Department who the day after fighting a lumber yard fire died of a heart attack. As you know there is a fire house on that triangle: very appropriate as a memorial.
From Kleiner's Kolumn: Revisiting the Transformation of the Motor Parkway into Salisbury Park Drive
Thanks Al Prete. You saved me the research!
From Kleiner's Kolumn: Revisiting the Transformation of the Motor Parkway into Salisbury Park Drive
Bloomingdale road looking north is another great guess. This photo could be looking north due to subject brightness. If so, the object in the distance at right cannot be the LIACC hangars. Those hangars belong more west and on the left of photo, 3/4 miles away from the bridge. If said hangars are really a plume of train smoke, that places the LIRR mainline about 1.5 mi. north from the bridge, very close to what’s seen in the photo. But why are they fencing in Bloomingdale Road, they should be fencing in the LIMP below the bridge. And the bridge railings don’t match the 1908 race photo below looking NW. Great post, my baldness progresses with much a-head scratchin’. Can’t get enuf!
From Mystery Friday Foto #45 Still Open for Discussion: A Motor Parkway Bridge Built on a Curve
Today Gasser Avenue, which forms one side of a triangle between Carman Avenue and Salisbury Park Drive, is known as Bob Reed Lane.
From Kleiner's Kolumn: Revisiting the Transformation of the Motor Parkway into Salisbury Park Drive
Brian, no, the photo has not been cropped, its all there. also, regarding my comments about the Camp Black barracks, Bill Belmer. the Garden City historian tells me there were no barracks, only tents.
From Mystery Friday Foto #45 Still Open for Discussion: A Motor Parkway Bridge Built on a Curve
I’m sure this research was fun for you Art since you live within walking distance.
I remember the maple trees that remained near the Newbridge Road Bridge abutment. When I was a kid most of the wooden fence rails were still intact during the mid 1960’s. Thanks for the great documents. We now know the Salisbury Park Drive was paved during the late 1950’s.
From Kleiner's Kolumn: Revisiting the Transformation of the Motor Parkway into Salisbury Park Drive
September ‘08, great photo!!
From Mystery Foto #43 Solved : A 1955 View of the Motor Parkway in Levittown Looking West
Think I set a record for the amount of times for agreeing & disagreeing with myself over this classic photo. Strongly feel this is a parkway bridge, not highway. Definitely a true right curve. Think we all see the steam engine w/plume . Fairly certain that’s a water tower in the further distance of the train. Are we seeing the full size of this image, or was it cropped somewhat?
Do notice the row of structures to the left that Al points out. Camp Black was bordered by Clinton Rd to the west, Old Country Rd to the north, and the Central RR. Hazelhurst Field was here afterwards. So they were north & east of the LIMP. Clinton Rd Bridge would have to be curving to the left, to make sense in my mind anyway.
Photos from the Clinton Robinson Scrapbook clearly show the poles for the trolley feed on either side of Westbury Ave, with a pole in close proximity of the bridge. Just don’t see evidence of this in the image.
The Meadowbrook Pkwy Bridge design is very convincing viewing East. The train would be eastbound on the Central line. But there should be in view the trees and windmill on the Ladenburgh property to the center & left.
From Mystery Friday Foto #45 Still Open for Discussion: A Motor Parkway Bridge Built on a Curve
Interesting, I always assume most roads being built in these photos is the LIMP, and I would have thought the road being constructed in this mystery photo WAS the LIMP, but your speculation is that Bloomingdale road being resurfaced to continue over the bridge. I think I agree with you on this one as that finally makes a little more sense of this particular photo.
From Mystery Friday Foto #45 Still Open for Discussion: A Motor Parkway Bridge Built on a Curve
Also Vanderbilt Court remains hidden, but the Manager’s Office wasn’t built until 1914.
From Mystery Friday Foto #45 Still Open for Discussion: A Motor Parkway Bridge Built on a Curve
Wow, great answers. Though it resembles the LIACC hangars in the distance, I now doubt they were built this early during aviation’s infancy. LIACC officially opened in 1929 but the hangars may already have existed on the site. Al’s 50ft RoW at the Clinton bridge makes sense, and this photo likely the original bridge before expansion for the roadway/trolley. The structures on the left can be either Camp Mills or Mineola Fairgrounds. The RR tracks in the distance (if that’s a plume of smoke) from the Clinton Br would be approx 0.8 miles. From the Westbury bridge only 0.25mi. This is tougher than I thought. Great mystery!
From Mystery Friday Foto #45 Still Open for Discussion: A Motor Parkway Bridge Built on a Curve
“Under”? No way, Hose A! Sorry. Maître, but the LIMP goes OVER; they wouldn’t be putting down gravel for the world’s first reinforced concrete highway on a local road, let alone fencing it IN. Sam, III
From Mystery Friday Foto #45 Still Open for Discussion: A Motor Parkway Bridge Built on a Curve
It would appear that the bridge being built in the mystery photo is a Parkway bridge, but the Bloomingdale Road Bridge was a highway bridge?
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Howard Kroplick
Correct, I believe that the Motor Parkway goes under the bridge.
From Mystery Friday Foto #45 Still Open for Discussion: A Motor Parkway Bridge Built on a Curve
That there actually was (may still be) such: <http://sbiii.com/lirr2etc.html#lirrmisc>, 3rd para., “Just as good is the rumor - - - “. This thread sure is a good one; all us “experts” disagreeing. I “don’t see no” water tower or it’s the weirdest water tower ever (we’ve been through this before, no?). The water tower in Frank F.‘s pic is quite different - see attached. People see such odd things in these blurry blog photos - sure wish the blowups from thumbnailed images were bigger/sharper (PLEASE). Sam, III
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Howard Kroplick
As shown in the other images, there was a water tower there for the construction. During the 1908 races, a spectator climbed to the top resulting in a strange shape.
From Mystery Friday Foto #45 Still Open for Discussion: A Motor Parkway Bridge Built on a Curve
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