Vanderbilt Cup Races

Dave- a few notations about Belmont lake/park. That estate was that of his father, August Belmont SENIOR. The building there is not the original mansion and was the mansions replacement for Robert Moses. Also, the line of trees along the Southern State flanked the original driveway for the estate. It was stipulated they stay when the estate was taken over by Moses. The photo below are the trees when the driveway ran in between them

From Greg O's Garage; The Country Estates of the Motor Parkway/Vanderbilt Cup Race Officials and Directors

And the cool part is finding parts of the original estates that are forgotten—the Applegreen walled garden - common for the Gold Coast mansions to have magnificent gardens - always have to impress your guests!

From Greg O's Garage; The Country Estates of the Motor Parkway/Vanderbilt Cup Race Officials and Directors

Applegreen - much of this is still standing.

1. Main House #1

2. Main House #2

3. Stables

From Greg O's Garage; The Country Estates of the Motor Parkway/Vanderbilt Cup Race Officials and Directors

Continuing current pics:

1. Harbor Hill water tower

2. Harbor Hill gate house - a view from what was up until recently remnants of the Country Estates Tennis Club.

From Greg O's Garage; The Country Estates of the Motor Parkway/Vanderbilt Cup Race Officials and Directors

It’s been a while, Hello Motor Parkway Posse! This post got my attention, I am a bit of a Gold Coast enthusiast and love to explore remaining mansions or find ruins of old sites, so here you go with current pics of some of these sites:

1. DEEPDALE

2. August Belmont 1

3. August Belmont 2—this existing site is off the Southern State which is now the Belmont Lake State Park so I’m confused—this must be the father of Belmont Jr?

From Greg O's Garage; The Country Estates of the Motor Parkway/Vanderbilt Cup Race Officials and Directors

Brian- I hadn’t noticed that, but that sounds logical!

Great Idle Hour map as well. The tunnel is news to me!

From Greg O's Garage; The Country Estates of the Motor Parkway/Vanderbilt Cup Race Officials and Directors

Pope Hartford, Bert Dingley, 1910 Vanderbilt Cup Race
Westbury Old Country Road Turn onto Ellison Avenue, looking east
October 1, 1910 - date of the race
Dingley and the car finished 10 after completing 22 laps.

From Mystery Friday Foto #35 Solved: Bert Dingley taking the Hicksville Turn in a Pope-Hartford at the 1910 Vanderbilt Cup Race

I believe that’s Bert Dingley driving in the #22 Pope-Hartford during the 1910 Vanderbilt Cup Race with C. F. Osgood as his mechanician. It looks like they have just turned left from Old Country Road at Ellison Avenue in Westbury with the photographer facing east. If I’m correct about the race, then the date must be October 1, 1910. Dingley finished 10th. that day.

From Mystery Friday Foto #35 Solved: Bert Dingley taking the Hicksville Turn in a Pope-Hartford at the 1910 Vanderbilt Cup Race

Nice going, Greg. Guess the Belmonts just scrambled their surname for the estate Blemton : )

Below is a map of Idle Hour along with a Key to the map. Note there’s a Tunnel ( 2 ) between the Mansion ( 1 ) & the Powerhouse ( 3 ). Screenshot is blurry, but the former college is still named Idle Hour/William Vanderbilt Mansion.

From Greg O's Garage; The Country Estates of the Motor Parkway/Vanderbilt Cup Race Officials and Directors

Great story. Thanks.

From Greg O's Garage; The Country Estates of the Motor Parkway/Vanderbilt Cup Race Officials and Directors

Bert Dingley, #22 Pope Hartford
Outside Westbury Turn
October 1, 1910 Vanderbilt Cup
10th place in the last Vanderbilt Cup race held on Long Island

From Mystery Friday Foto #35 Solved: Bert Dingley taking the Hicksville Turn in a Pope-Hartford at the 1910 Vanderbilt Cup Race

Old steel and porcelain signs have always interested me, especially on long country drives when seen by chance.

From A Walt Gosden Special: Signs of the Times Part II

It is wonderful to read about so many places that I have been to but never knew their history.  Thank you.

From The Queens section of the 1904 Vanderbilt Cup Race

Location of the St. Mary’s Hospital ambulance corrected to the southeast corner of the turn.

From The Queens section of the 1904 Vanderbilt Cup Race

1910 Vanderbilt Cup Race (278 mi) on Oct 1, 1910, the last Vanderbilt Cup Race held on Long Island utilizing both Motor Parkway and Long Island public roadways. 
Pope-Hartford racer driven by Bert Dingley (photo below), Mechanician: C.F. Osgood, both completed 22 laps averaging 59.9 mph. They finished in 10th place.
The 1910 VCR course ran counter-clockwise throughout Long Island. The left turn in the photo was on Nassau County roads, away from Motor Parkway scenario.
Two possibilities but I suspect the turn occurred from S Broadway (Rt 107) northbound onto Old Country Rd westbound.
BTW, the photographer was looking south
Great website for Motor Parkway history!
Looking forward towards this week’s answers

From Mystery Friday Foto #35 Solved: Bert Dingley taking the Hicksville Turn in a Pope-Hartford at the 1910 Vanderbilt Cup Race

The vehicle is a Pope-Hartford driven by Bert Dingley in the 1910 Vanderbilt cup race held on October 1st.  This looks like the intersection of Broadway and Old Country rd in Hicksville.  The driver appears to be completing a left turn from Broadway to go west onto Old Country rd.  So the photographer is pretty much facing south.  Bert Dingley finished the race in 10th place after completing 22 laps.

From Mystery Friday Foto #35 Solved: Bert Dingley taking the Hicksville Turn in a Pope-Hartford at the 1910 Vanderbilt Cup Race

Identify the racer, driver and race - Bert Dingley, CF Osgood, 1910 Vanderbilt Cup
Location and orientation of the photographer - Westbury turn at Old Country Road and Elliston Road.  photographer is facing north
The date of the foto. Provide a rationale - October 1, 1910, the date of the race
Kudos: Outcome of the race for the racer and driver - Finished 10th

From Mystery Friday Foto #35 Solved: Bert Dingley taking the Hicksville Turn in a Pope-Hartford at the 1910 Vanderbilt Cup Race

Mystery Foto #35… The race car is the #22 Pope Hartford driven by Bert Dingley in the 1910 Vanderbilt Cup race. The date, October 1, 1910. As for the outcome for the car and driver, they finished 10th, completing 22 laps at an average speed of 59.90 mph

From Mystery Friday Foto #35 Solved: Bert Dingley taking the Hicksville Turn in a Pope-Hartford at the 1910 Vanderbilt Cup Race

1904 Vanderbilt Cup Race course (in red) within Queens location, traveling clockwise from Hempstead Av onto Jamaica Av (Jericho Tpke) in 1904

From The Queens section of the 1904 Vanderbilt Cup Race

Chal, check out the August24, 2022 post. https://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/blog/article/the_queens_section_of_the_1904_vanderbilt_cup_race

Enjoy, Howard

From The Vanderbilt Cup Race Courses (1904-1910)