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My dad was charged, but then it was dropped. He later was a pilot for Capitol International Airways until they went bankrupt and then he flew with United until he had to retire. He loved flying. Pictue is from 1969 with his cessna 195.
From Mystery Friday Foto #49 Solved:The 1958 Airplane/Three Car Crash on the Southern State Parkway
Good one Greg. Thought I could figure it out but can’t after too much time spent. Probably going to be a head slapper.
From Mystery Friday Foto #12 Solved; The Oyster Bay LIRR Bridge Williston Park & East Williston Abutment
This is the LIRR Bridge in Albertson. Long ago it connected the remnants that now lead to the Williston Park Pool with the section running next to the Roslyn Toll Lodge. I found this bridge when I was about 11 years old in 1977. Immediately I could see, as if clouds parted, the pieces of the LIMP line up. The pool entrance, the road behind Albertson Park, the pavement and sidewalks (at 11 years old I called them sidewalks) all through the back yards behind Schley Avenue. The way my dad told me the parkway went right through the VFW. And finally, the remnants in the old estate across Old Searingtown Road my brother showed me. I was so fascinated that day. I just wanted to follow the old road in both directions and see what I could find. The bridge was removed in 1983. A sad day when I saw it had come down. It was solid. Not like the Mineola LIRR Bridge which was not. I am not sure what you are looking for that was ‘special.” To me it was super special. And it ignited me to want to know more.
From Mystery Friday Foto #12 Solved; The Oyster Bay LIRR Bridge Williston Park & East Williston Abutment
Looks like the abutment for the LIMP bridge that crossed over the LIRR in Williston Park. Taken down in the ‘80’s.
From Mystery Friday Foto #12 Solved; The Oyster Bay LIRR Bridge Williston Park & East Williston Abutment
Just a pure guess. The end of the stretch from Peck Avenue to Winchester Blvd at Creedmor, which I rode regularly as a kid in the late 50s and early 60s while on my English 3-speed Ross racing bike. If this is correct, the bridge was probably taken down when the Cross Island Parkway opened in ‘38-‘39, which required the reconstruction of nearby street roads including Winchester Road.
From Mystery Friday Foto #12 Solved; The Oyster Bay LIRR Bridge Williston Park & East Williston Abutment
He also published a second “Log of My Motor” 1908-1911. It describes his touring adventures in Europe. It found it on-line in 2013 in pdf format.
From Greg O's Garage; Willie K.'s Racing Records
This is the Oyster Bay LIRR Bridge abutment that carried the Motor Parkway over the tracks between Williston Park and East Williston. It was special in the fact that it was the second Motor Parkway bridge over a railroad. It was demolished in 1983. For a moment I thought this could have been the unfinished “Mayan Ruins” bridge in Garden City. But I believe the fencing and amount of graffiti here in this picture lead me to decide that its the Oyster Bay LIRR bridge.
From Mystery Friday Foto #12 Solved; The Oyster Bay LIRR Bridge Williston Park & East Williston Abutment
Wonderful article. My Grandfather, Ralph Derr was the owner of the Marine Construction and Dry Dock Company, Staten Island and was the builder of the “Standard”.
From Willie K.'s "Hard Boiled Egg" Auto Boat
... and the De Palma’s 7 was a remnant of the Lowell Trophy on 8 September. A Fiat with nr. 7 (see page from Motor Age 1909 of 16 Sept., middle right) was driven into 4th place by Edward Parker. The protection grid on this car carries a 7 with the same shape as the Riverhead car. Apparently De Palma used this car in the Long Island stock car race.
From UPDATE 3/22/23; Mystery Friday Foto # 11 Solved: Driver Frank Lescault in his #7 Palmer Singer during the 1909 Long Island Stock Car Derby
Great finds Ariejan! Thanks for unraveling the mystery!
From UPDATE 3/22/23; Mystery Friday Foto # 11 Solved: Driver Frank Lescault in his #7 Palmer Singer during the 1909 Long Island Stock Car Derby
Well, I guess I have solved the dance of the 7’s now. The 7 on the Rainier was still a remnant from the 24-Hour race at Brighton Beach motordrome on 27 and 28 August, where Louis Disbrow and Lund with their Rainier achieved second place (see photo). On two photo pages from Motor Age of 7 October 1909 the solution of the other 7’s becomes visible: De Palma, driving his victorious Fiat with nr.3 on the sides of the hood still had a very visible 7 on the protection grid and also on the sides of the chair (!), clearly causing confusion with the journalists. The 7 on the Palmer-Singer is obviously identical to the one on the photo uploaded earlier. So the caption on the photo with the ‘Quick change of tires’ was meant for the Fiat and not the Palmer-Singer. Remains to find the origin of the 7 on the Fiat ...
From UPDATE 3/22/23; Mystery Friday Foto # 11 Solved: Driver Frank Lescault in his #7 Palmer Singer during the 1909 Long Island Stock Car Derby
The shape of the radiators is difficult to compare, because the car on the right has a protection grid in front. Bet there seems to be a difference in height of the rad filler tubes, and also the seats have different back heights. So presumably at some moment (before the race?) there was a change of cars.
From UPDATE 3/22/23; Mystery Friday Foto # 11 Solved: Driver Frank Lescault in his #7 Palmer Singer during the 1909 Long Island Stock Car Derby
Greg - though similar shapes, the two radiators are different. It’s wild how they chose the Mattituck location to race. As you mentioned, getting there was a task by itself. Not even the proposed Motor Parkway extension to its Riverhead terminus reached this far east! Perhaps the lure of local wine vineyards won the decision
From UPDATE 3/22/23; Mystery Friday Foto # 11 Solved: Driver Frank Lescault in his #7 Palmer Singer during the 1909 Long Island Stock Car Derby
From Greg O.
Ariejan-
Looking at the radiator comparison, do you think these were the same car?
From UPDATE 3/22/23; Mystery Friday Foto # 11 Solved: Driver Frank Lescault in his #7 Palmer Singer during the 1909 Long Island Stock Car Derby
From Greg O.
Ariejan, no other races in that area that I know of. It’s a miracle the Derby happened there at all for one race considering that extreme easterly area of Long Island was so rural, with little, to no public transportation access in 1909.
In your second photo, while not a huge, popular race that had few spectators, the grandstands are completely empty which often times indicates a practice run as well. It would be a big coincidence, but maybe the car ran as #7 in a previous race? Then a new #7 painted for the Derby? Possibly a different car? (notice the ‘U’ shaped headlight mounts are there for one photo, gone in the next) Without definitive proof, that’s a longshot, but guesses are all we have at the moment.
From UPDATE 3/22/23; Mystery Friday Foto # 11 Solved: Driver Frank Lescault in his #7 Palmer Singer during the 1909 Long Island Stock Car Derby
Greg, you’re right about the location, funny I didn’t notice that! Were there any other events at the same location? And if not, why change a 7 into a 7?
From UPDATE 3/22/23; Mystery Friday Foto # 11 Solved: Driver Frank Lescault in his #7 Palmer Singer during the 1909 Long Island Stock Car Derby
Ariejan-
Looking at the grandstands behind the Palmer-Singer, they are a match in both photos, so it may be safe to assume they are the same locations on different occasions.
From UPDATE 3/22/23; Mystery Friday Foto # 11 Solved: Driver Frank Lescault in his #7 Palmer Singer during the 1909 Long Island Stock Car Derby
As I found out, some of the photos of the #7 Rainier already appeared in The Automobile of September 16. So these were taken at least weeks before the race, which confirms my hypothesis. Maybe the 7 was painted on the car just for the photo session to create the impression of a race ... Another thing is that the photo of the Palmer-Singer I uploaded before is incorrect too! Uploaded here a photo from an account of the race in The Motor World of October 7, where the number clearly is different. So where was my earlier photo taken?? The past is full of question marks ...
From UPDATE 3/22/23; Mystery Friday Foto # 11 Solved: Driver Frank Lescault in his #7 Palmer Singer during the 1909 Long Island Stock Car Derby
From Greg O.
Great then and now shot Steve!
Ariejan-
After examining all the Rainier photos in the archives, I can confirm, the caption on this photo is incorrect and that is either the #1 or #8 Rainier with an old number.
In fact, Louis Disbrow drove the #M32 Rainier in the 1908 Vanderbilt Cup Meadowbrook Sweepstakes finishing second. It is entirely possible the same Rainier was raced in the Sweepstakes and a year later by Disbrow in the L.I. Stock Car Derby
https://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/blog/article/thursday_july_29_2010starting_lineup-_the_1908_meadow_brook_sweepstakes
From UPDATE 3/22/23; Mystery Friday Foto # 11 Solved: Driver Frank Lescault in his #7 Palmer Singer during the 1909 Long Island Stock Car Derby
Sorry, it’s ROTHMANN’S
From Greg O’s Garage: Rare photos from the collection of Henry Austin Clark, Jr. Part 2
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