Vanderbilt Cup Races

~  Oct 14, 1905 during the Vanderbilt Cup Race
French Team on the balcony, Somewhere, Long Island (still looking)

1904 VCR Oct 8, 1904
1 George Heath       Panhard           French   90hp Avg 52.2mph
2 Albert Clement Jr.  Clement-Bayard   French   90hp Avg 52.0mph
3 Herb Lytle           Pope-Toledo     US       24hp Avg 40.0mph

1905 VCR Oct 14, 1905
1 Victor Hemery       Darracq           French   80hp Avg 61.5mph
2 George Heath       Panhard           French 120hp Avg 60.7mph
3 Joe Tracy           Locomobile       US         90hp Avg 56.9mph

http://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/races/year/1905_vanderbilt_cup_race

http://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora:182240

https://books.google.com/books?id=jDcjAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA132&lpg=RA1-PA132&dq=1905+vanderbilt+cup+race+french+team&source=bl&ots=TLpDiy6wKz&sig=jV9UGmrr7Ph2hyNscUFn0ZN3n0w&hl=en&sa=X&ei=RpnzVNGLKtL-yQSvtIKQDw&ved=0CEUQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=1905 vanderbilt cup race french team&f=false

From Mystery Foto #9 B Solved:The 1905 Darracq Team Headquartered at the Hotel Glenwood, Glenwood Landing

From Ron B.:

I recently purchased copies of your Vanderbilt Cup Races and Long Island Motor Parkway in conjunction with my research on classic speedsters for a book that I am writing. I also subscribe to your blog.

I was reading your bio and noticed that you own a 66 GT350. I am a member of SAAC and own a 65 K-code fastback that I have used for concours competitions. Great cars to drive! Now, however, I am looking for an old speedster to work on, so will probably sell the Mustang to make room.

I just wanted to drop you a line to compliment you on the fine work you are doing in covering the Vanderbilt Cup races. I know it is a lot of work, but you are filling in an important historical gap in American automotive history. Hats off to you, sir.

From Book "Ways of the World": Long Island Motor Parkway Documented as the First Parkway in the World

Whoops!  Several problems here.  No mention of Buenos Aires’s very early (possibly pre-LIMP) parkway; Italy’s opened only slightly later than LIMP.  No LIMP auto ramps in the Newbridge Road photo; only a construction ramp.  The LIMP did NOT start out as asphalt!  “Today’s” Woodland MNRR area.  GWMP photo ca, 1950, NOT 1930 (check white car)!  Sorry ‘bout that/  Sam, III
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From Howard Kroplick I

Sam III, thanks!

From Book "Ways of the World": Long Island Motor Parkway Documented as the First Parkway in the World

VERY INTERESTING STORY.  I REMEMBER PASSING THE CANTRELL FACTORY LOCATED NEAR THE RR TRACKS OFF PULASKI ROAD IN HUNTINGTON STATION.  I REMEMBER ALL THE STATION WAGONS PARKED OUTSIDE. THIS WAS AFTER WW11. I WAS ABOUT 10 YEARS OF AGE.
MY HOUSE IN HUNTINGTON IS LOCATED A SHORT DISTANCE FROM WHERE CANTRELL FAMILY HOME WAS .  MY SISTERS GIRL FRIEND BOUGHT THE CANTRELL HOUSE AND THEY TOLD OF ALL THE WOOD PIECES STORED IN THE BASEMENT.

From Long Island Auto Manufacturers & Body Builders #2: J.T. Cantrell & Company of Huntington Part II

That’s the French Race Team on Long Island for the 1905 Vanderbilt Cup Race so the date would probably be around the first 2 weeks of October, 1905. As to location, just a wild guess but someplace on the north shore of Nassau County, maybe Glen Cove or Seacliff.

From Mystery Foto #9 B Solved:The 1905 Darracq Team Headquartered at the Hotel Glenwood, Glenwood Landing

To me, the 3rd person from the left looks like Louis Wagner. If that’s true, it must be 1905 or 1906 and the other people are presumably part of the Darracq entourage.

From Mystery Foto #9 B Solved:The 1905 Darracq Team Headquartered at the Hotel Glenwood, Glenwood Landing

Howard- you and your team…your presentations, collection, is more than 5 STAR, Elaine and plan to get out to Long Island, when it warms up, ands the fishing gets going…we will be at Amelia…seeya?  Thanks …Oscar cell 570 430 1615
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Oscar, thanks for the comment. I will be at Amelia this year with Chrysler’s Chrysler.

From Starting Lineup: The 1911 Vanderbilt Cup Race, Savannah, Georgia

Well, with that hill, it sure wasn’t Savannah!

From Mystery Foto #9 B Solved:The 1905 Darracq Team Headquartered at the Hotel Glenwood, Glenwood Landing

Photo possibly taken when racer was held at the Grand Palace in New York City. (Image from ‘The Automobile’, January 21, 1909), though the objects on this side of the room don’t match the mystery photo. http://theoldmotor.com/?p=98090

From Mystery Friday Foto #9: Can You Identify This Old 16 Locomobile Photo?

-Identify this Vanderbilt Cup Race team
#18 Darracq driven by Victor Hemery with Victor Demogeot as mechanician

-What is the approximate date of the photo?
October 1905

-Where was the team headquarters located?
Glenwood hotel in Sea Cliff

From Mystery Foto #9 B Solved:The 1905 Darracq Team Headquartered at the Hotel Glenwood, Glenwood Landing

Nice enlargement of the tire ad, that wasn’t possible back in 2013. The artists’ signature can be clearly seen! If memory fails, I believe it was Mr. Helck that stated this mystery garage was not the one in Bristol.

From Mystery Friday Foto #9: Can You Identify This Old 16 Locomobile Photo?

Hello Howard. Is this current mystery foto somehow related to mystery foto #9 from 2013? If I you don’t see this question before Monday, I’ll email you.

From Mystery Foto #9 B Solved:The 1905 Darracq Team Headquartered at the Hotel Glenwood, Glenwood Landing

I guess we’ve been through enough mystery photos that we’re beginning to repeat them! I’ll just copy and paste my answer from mystery photo 33 on Sept 17 2013…

I don’t know the painting, but as per your entry from the website, there’s two places the car could have been; either Riker’s farm, or in a garage on his Bristol, Connecticut depending on if the picture is pre, or post 1914.

  “Locomobile used “Old 16” extensively to promote its manufacturing prowess after the race, but as the novelty faded, it was placed in storage in a barn on Riker’s farm. Joseph Sessions, whose firm did much of the casting for the Locomobile engine, purchased the car in 1914. It was housed in a garage on his Bristol, Connecticut farm that was specially built to care for the car. There it was revered for 27 years and only driven by Sessions who occasionally took it to meets of the Veteran Motor Car Club.”

http://vanderbiltcupraces.com/cars/story/old_16_locomobile

Although I’ll add for this guess that the artwork looks like some sort of promo poster for Continental tires.
http://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/blog/article/mystery_foto_friday_33_can_you_identify

From Mystery Friday Foto #9: Can You Identify This Old 16 Locomobile Photo?

I guess sometimes I’ll overthink things and pass right by the obvious! After scouring various websites trying to match the estate gates behind the cars in the photos, I’ve finally realized the simple answer. While sitting at a traffic light near my house, I glanced over to my left and lo and behold, there were Oheka Castle’s gates. The wrought iron gates are gone and the lights have been changed, but there’s no question they’re the gates from the photo. Makes pefect sense, Oheka is a few minutes distance from the Cantrell shop and what better place to photograph/display your product but the second largest residence in the country.
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From Howard Kroplick
Greg, good find (see above).

From Long Island Auto Manufacturers & Body Builders #2: J.T. Cantrell & Company of Huntington Part I

The first photo is a shipment of 1940 cab-chassis cars made at the Terrytown NY Chevrolet plant to use as platforms for station wagons and other commercial vehicles. These were also shipped to the Campbell body company. Another major supplier of Chevrolet GM approved woodies.

Hudson, Dodge and Studebaker also made units like this for body builders.

From Long Island Auto Manufacturers & Body Builders #2: J.T. Cantrell & Company of Huntington Part II

I have been looking for a photo of the old Meadowbrook Hospital to show my husband (he’s younger than me and only knows of it the way it is now). I have such fond memories of sitting under those trees with my grandmother and sister when I was a little girl. I think my mother and grandmother were taking turns visiting my great grandmother. I believe they were crab apple trees. It was so beautiful and peaceful there. We would read stories and have snacks, and watch the cars go by. I’m so happy to see this photo!

From Mystery Foto #76 Solved: An Aerial of Meadowbrook Hospital and East Meadow Circa 1951/1952

I’m just correcting myself. Within my comment, I stated that the building in this mystery photo was the original Queens Village RR Station. The RR Station is on the N/S of the tracks, this tavern on the S/S.

From Mystery Foto #8 Solved: The Packard Gray Wolf Approaching the LIRR Crossing in Queens

@Stevel- I thought the exact same thing about the gates in the first photo. (The second photo down of the Buick is also in front of the same gates) They do seem familiar, but I’ve been trying to identify them for a couple of days and I’ve been unable to match them so far. Being Cantrell was located in Huntington, I stated looking at the local estates and moved outwards from there. Still searching….
An incredible website resource about Gold Coast estates for yourself, or anyone interested, to check out, is Zach L’s blog; Old Long Island
http://www.oldlongisland.com/

From Long Island Auto Manufacturers & Body Builders #2: J.T. Cantrell & Company of Huntington Part I

The photo shows Charles Schmidt on his Packard Gray Wolf with no.16 during the 1904 Vanderbilt Cup race. He is just passing the railroad crossing at Springfield Boulevard in Queens, which was located at the most western part of the 1904 circuit. The future circuits of the VC races on Long Island would never extend that far to the west. He finished on a respectable 4th place, and as the 2nd American car (behind Lytle on his Pope-Toledo).

From Mystery Foto #8 Solved: The Packard Gray Wolf Approaching the LIRR Crossing in Queens

-Identify the year of the Vanderbilt Cup Race in this photo
1904

-Identify the racer, its driver and the mechanician
1903 Packard Grey Wolf, #16 driven by Charles Schmidt, mechanician William McIldrid.  Finished 4th in the race. 

-Identify the location. What was unique about this section of the course?
Queens Village (known simply as Queens at the time).  Springfield Ave. (aka Creed Ave.) Railroad Crossing.  O’Conner’s Tavern located near Creed Ave. and Jericho Rd. (aka Jamaica Ave.)  Unique might have been the course took the racers over a ground level railroad crossing.  Hence the need for police officers near the crossing. 

Additional documentation being sent Howard.

From Mystery Foto #8 Solved: The Packard Gray Wolf Approaching the LIRR Crossing in Queens