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Jul 07 2015 james christman 3:04 PM

Howard, thanks for the help, just came back from Hofstra to view the Drennan collection. They have some great car crash photos. Picture of 1938 helps, just looking for just west of this photo ( blocks ! ) , any suggestions?
FYI, used to play on bridge in early 1970s on old courthouse road, and ride bikes down ( “old motor” ), as we called it, still had some paving at the time, and ran by golf course. Landscapers used to shoot at us with salt shot if we got on the greens!, there was a small lake and bamboo forest, quite adventuresome for a 6 year old.

Again, many thanks!

James

From Then & Now: The Motor Parkway Office in Garden City

Jul 07 2015 Howard Kroplick 10:59 AM

James, two Garden City aerials (1933 and 1938) have been posted.

Enjoy,

Howard

From Then & Now: The Motor Parkway Office in Garden City

Jul 07 2015 Ted 1:27 AM

Thanks Frank. You are so right, this is a very well maintained historical area, this is one of the reasons we moved here, always something going on during the holidays and plenty to see and do at your leisure, not like N.Y.at all, nice people, polite, helpful and friendly.

From Mystery Foto #27 Solved:Model of the Proposed Golf Courses of Bethpage State Park Golf (Circa 1933)

Jul 06 2015 Al Velocci 6:20 PM

Is it a composite of golf courses on Long Island?

From Mystery Foto #27 Solved:Model of the Proposed Golf Courses of Bethpage State Park Golf (Circa 1933)

Jul 06 2015 james christman 9:07 AM

Howard, I am sure you are swamped with 1964 Mustang III requests, any ideas on photo of east garden city?

Thanks!

From Then & Now: The Motor Parkway Office in Garden City

Jul 06 2015 Gary Hammond 12:10 AM

Since everyone else has creative titles should I be calling my answers Hammond’s Historical Happenings? 
    It appears to be a WPA built diorama of the proposed Bethpage State Park, done in the 1930’s.  It is somewhat similar to one in the Nassau County Courthouse showing all of LI.  It appears to have a label in the lower right corner stating it is a WPA project. 
    Around 1905 a Texas railroad tycoon named Benjamin Franklin Yoakum (1859-1929) started buying up property in the Farmingdale / Central Park / Bethpage area, and creating an estate which when completed amounted to over a thousand acres.
    Yoakum raised prize cattle, chickens and pigs, and used the name Tywacana Farms Poultry Company to sell eggs, chicks, breeding stock, and patented boxes for shipping eggs and chicks.  He wrote articles for popular magazines, and lectured promoting modern agricultural methods and railways.  He also invested in local business, and helped establish the N.Y.S. Institute of Applied Agriculture, the “Aggie” school in 1912.
    Yoakum also established on his property the private Lenox Hills Golf Club, which was an 18-hole golf course, designed by well-known golf course architect Devereux Emmett.  Complete with a clubhouse it opened on Decoration Day, May 30, 1923.  He also built a building for the Boys Club of Farmingdale in memory of his wife, Elizabeth Bennett Yoakum,  in 1926. 
    After his death in 1929 the estate became the center of a controversy as to its fate.  This wouldn’t be resolved until 1934 when it became Bethpage State Park.  Yoakum’s property was ideal for Robert Moses’ purpose as a state park.  Besides the existing golf course, the property was hilly, and wooded, with a pond, had service buildings left over from the estate era, it even had a private water system with a 100,000 gallon elevated water tank.  It could be developed into a complete recreational facility for golf, tennis, polo, horseback riding, baseball, and picnicking. 
    The problem was the money needed for acquisition, as the country was in the midst of a depression.  The property straddles the Nassau/Suffolk County line, is located in the Towns of Oyster Bay and Babylon, geographically in Farmingdale, Bethpage, and Old Bethpage, although technically its post office address is Farmingdale.  A unique proposition arose when it was suggested that New York State, the Town of Oyster Bay, and Suffolk County join forces to acquire the site.  Oyster Bay and Suffolk both gave monies to secure an option to hold the property and allow the public access as of the Spring of 1932.  Of course the question was what to name the new park.  Fortunately, Nassau County Historian and Farmingdale resident Jesse Merritt had suggested back in 1931 naming it Bethpage Park, a suggestion that was accepted by the Long Island State Park Commission in April 1932 just prior to its opening. 
    On August 26, 1933, Chapter 801 Laws of New York creating the Bethpage Park Authority became a law.  It was specifically designed so as to allow the Authority to issue bonds for the acquisition, improvement and operation of the state park.  Considered the largest piece of property under one private ownership in Nassau County, the cost for the 1,368 acres was $1,000,000, with the title closing on May 18, 1934 – thus Bethpage State Park was officially born! 
    Through the WPA, a new clubhouse was built, three additional golf courses were built, also the polo field was constructed.  An idle furniture factory in New York City was taken over and produced all the furniture for the clubhouse, while steam tables, plate warmers, coffee urns and other kitchen equipment was turned out at the Park Commission shops in Babylon.  The old Lenox Hills golf course became the Green Course, while A. W. Tillinghast designed the new Blue, Red, and Black courses.  The new clubhouse and three of the golf courses opened on August 10, 1935.  Hundreds of workers were given employment by the many phases of construction, both on and off site, including the building of Bethpage State Parkway with its five ornamental stone-faced concrete bridges. Designed to connect Southern State Parkway to the state park it was dedicated November 14, 1936. 
I say that this is a proposed layout because some of the roads did then exist (and still exist today) such as Quaker Meetinghouse Road, and Round Swamp Road.  However it shows the proposed extension of the Bethpage State Parkway north which didn’t happen.  It does also show the LIMP running on the top or north side of the “map”, just above the Polo field.  In addition it shows the bridal trails and the “service yard” of the Park, those buildings formerly being part of Benjamin F. Yoakum’s estate.

From Mystery Foto #27 Solved:Model of the Proposed Golf Courses of Bethpage State Park Golf (Circa 1933)

Jul 05 2015 Anthony Brucia 10:42 PM

I live on Ferncroft Road.  Thats a good place to start.

From Mystery Foto #26 Solved: Nassau County Gildersleeve Inspecting the 1906 Vanderbilt Cup Race Course

Jul 05 2015 Steve Lucas 10:32 PM

It sure looks like a lot of golf course or courses in the image so I’ll guess that it’s some kind of mock-up or diagram for Bethpage State Park from around 1957 that was prepared for the addition of the yellow course. This was about the same time that Robert Moses was designing the nearby Wantagh (later Seaford) Oyster Bay Expressway so that could be connected. If I’m close to being accurate, then we’re in the vicinity of Dead Man’s Curve of the LIMP on the left side of the image.

From Mystery Foto #27 Solved:Model of the Proposed Golf Courses of Bethpage State Park Golf (Circa 1933)

Jul 05 2015 Art Kleiner 9:31 PM

Identify the location - Bethpage Golf Course

How is this image related to the Long Island Motor Parkway? - Motor Parkway runs along the left side (bottom to top) and then diagonally from left to right and then north again.

What is the approximate date of this image? 1938

What is this image? It is not an aerial.  Cartography map created by the Cartographic Program of the Works Program Administration (WPA). 

“All of the work on these four courses (Black, Red, Blue and Green) was performed by a WPA (Works Progress Administration) labor force of over 1,000 men who completed the Red, Blue and Green courses in 1935 and the Black course in 1936.”

“Part of Cartographic Study, Work Projects Administration project number 665-97-3-27, a research, map and model making project designed to facilitate architecture, education, engineering planning, publicity and other city, state and federal level projects.”

From Mystery Foto #27 Solved:Model of the Proposed Golf Courses of Bethpage State Park Golf (Circa 1933)

Jul 05 2015 Howard Kroplick 9:22 PM

From Ron Richer:

Fabulous Mustang story, Howard.  Amazing that Gardner wasn’t prosecuted.  I wonder if he ever did any additional work for Ford.
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From Howard Kroplick:
Ron, I believe Gardner was still doing contract work for Dearborn Steel Tubing. They refused to prosecute him.

From VanderbiltCupRaces.com Exclusive: How Vincent Gardner Saved the Mustang III from Being Destroyed

Jul 05 2015 Roy Douglas 4:53 PM

Congratulations on a very informative post about the April 14, 1900 automobile race and for the numerous quality photographs, news articles and links. I wrote an article about this: “To Babylon and Back: The April 14, 1900 Automobile Race on Long Island,” which appeared in the Spring 2004 Long Island Forum: 4-13. I was not aware of the fine article about the race, which appeared in the “Automobile Magazine Illustrated.” We used five photos in the article with the permission of the Hal B. Fullerton Collection at the Long Island Division of the Queens Public Library. I wrote a similar article, “‘Scorching” the Roads in Automobile Test Runs, 1901-1902” for Natalie A. Naylor and The Nassau County Historical Society Journal: Volume 58, 2003: 1-13. This concerned the 100-mile endurance road “tests,” which were run in Queens and Nassau Counties in April 1901 and April 1902.

From The First Automobile Race Held on Long Island (April 14, 1900) Updated: 7/3/15

Jul 05 2015 Ted 4:21 PM

I have a trivia question for you. How about the fastest speed record for the NASCAR cars? I thought they had speeds close to 200mph, before they put restrictor plates on them

From Only One Car Show Today and a New Car Trivia Series

Jul 05 2015 Ted 4:00 PM

What great forensic work is exactly right, you always get down to the bottom of things and get the best of it. What will you get next? You’ll never know until you see something that strikes your eyes or hear about something that really interests you and I know you’re always looking for something historical.

From VanderbiltCupRaces.com Exclusive: How Vincent Gardner Saved the Mustang III from Being Destroyed

Jul 05 2015 Brian D McCarthy 3:13 PM

Location: Bethpage State Park

Relation to LIMP: LIMP is at the left of this map, running north. It then continues east thru BSP,  and north of the park.

Image date: Early 1960’s

This looks to be a map drawn up to represent the proposed BSPkwy Ext that would’ve continued north to the present Caumsett State Park. I printed this image full size to mark out existing roads. LIRR main line is not shown, would be south of Stymus Ave.

From Mystery Foto #27 Solved:Model of the Proposed Golf Courses of Bethpage State Park Golf (Circa 1933)

Jul 05 2015 Tim Ivers 11:28 AM

Overview (drawing) of the Bethpage State Park golf courses looking north.
Guessing on the date to be about 1960 because the Seaford Oyster Bay Expressway looks
to be running top to bottom on the left and five 18 hole courses are showing.
The remains of the LIMP appear near the rectangular polo field on upper left.

From Mystery Foto #27 Solved:Model of the Proposed Golf Courses of Bethpage State Park Golf (Circa 1933)

Jul 05 2015 Bob Weber 8:39 AM

What great forensic work! Amazing story to accompany a unique car.

From VanderbiltCupRaces.com Exclusive: How Vincent Gardner Saved the Mustang III from Being Destroyed

Jul 04 2015 Ted 4:21 PM

What happened? I didn’t think you were going to post this until Monday, I guess because I really had no answers to talk about did I? Happy Fourth again. I’m going into town to watch the fireworks in Historical Williamsburg, about 15 minutes from the apartment.

From Mystery Foto #27 Solved:Model of the Proposed Golf Courses of Bethpage State Park Golf (Circa 1933)

Jul 04 2015 frank femenias 3:35 PM

Looks like a map or scaled model layout of Bethpage Park (Central Park) and golf course in Bethpage, north up. Motor Pkwy is the vertical roadway furthest left, perpendicularly crossing Powell Ave. This map/layout is dated 1908-1950s with straightened, tree-lined Plainview Rd still visible north of the LIMP.

http://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/blog/article/long_island_motor_parkway_bridge_series_48_plainview_road_bridge_in_central

Ted: Best wishes to you and family at your new home in sunny Virginia. Many historical areas and structures survive and well maintained in Williamsburg.

From Mystery Foto #27 Solved:Model of the Proposed Golf Courses of Bethpage State Park Golf (Circa 1933)

Jul 04 2015 Ted 2:20 AM

Y’all laugh at this one, from the looks of the photo, it’s Long Island, where it starts and where it ends, I have no idea, it’s a pretty long stretch. I’ll probably laugh when I read the answers. Hope y’all had a safe and Happy Fourth,

From Mystery Foto #27 Solved:Model of the Proposed Golf Courses of Bethpage State Park Golf (Circa 1933)

Jul 03 2015 Chuck Rudy 11:18 PM

In this site…..1899 and before the USA had 10 races.  Yet the Belmont Driving Park was not one of them.  So more was going on than the Times let on but as noted they may have had a different criteria for what was a race.  http://www.autoracingrecords.com/racelist.php?year=1895

From The First Automobile Race Held on Long Island (April 14, 1900) Updated: 7/3/15

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