Vanderbilt Cup Races

Went To the Pierce Arrow and sat with the Prototype People had a great time Love John’s presentation   Vince

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Wow Howard,what an exciting time you had,it must have been the most mustangs you have ever seen,it’s the first time I have ever seen a 4 door mustang. Even though you didn’t win anything,you met some important people and they saw your car and recognized it,by talking about it in the presentation. You always get something out of the shows you go to.

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With regard to dating the photo, (first time I’m seeing it”\)  my guess it was taken in very late 1910, the first year New York State issued license plates. That year the plates had a dark blue background with white numbers and letters riveted on, not embossed or painted. That would explain why they are easy to read. I say late that year because there are no leaves on the trees and the men are dressed for cold weather. The fact that at least two of the autos have the steering wheel on the right side leads me to think its 1910. Al Velocci

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Krug's Hotel in Mineola Circa 1912 Revised 7/26/2016

Does anybody know what year Krug’s stood until ? And what was the reason it closed ?
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From Howard Kroplick

I recall an old Newsday article that showed a photo of the building in 1960s and indicated its use as a fruit store.

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Krug's Hotel in Mineola Circa 1912 Revised 7/26/2016

I certainly did take a quick look,didn’t I?,didn’t even notice the sign,until now,oh well

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Krug's Hotel in Mineola Circa 1912 Revised 7/26/2016

Taken in 1912   the plates are NY 1912 the only year the year is not on the plate   just a NY on right side with   white numbers on a vermilion back ground.  Only year NY used a porcelain plate.  Checked plate on my car to make sure.  Cars look a year or so older but rear shots very hard to identify.

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Krug's Hotel in Mineola Circa 1912 Revised 7/26/2016

Thank you, Frank. You led me in the right direction.

From The 1938 U.S. Department of Agriculture Aerial Suvey of Nassau County #2: Garden City to East Meadow

Another great show and another win for you,congrats

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Krugs was visible during the 1904 - ‘06 Vanderbilt Cup Races, but mystery photo was definitely not taken during those years

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Krug's Hotel in Mineola Circa 1912 Revised 7/26/2016

Famous Krug’s Corner! But an unfamiliar, later 1920s streamline design. We’re looking NE with cars parked on Jericho Tpke. The right corner is Willis Av. The parked cars could give a closer photo date but all seem older than 1920s (the correct answer will be interesting). The building on top right still stands today (136 Jericho Tpke), complete with window shutters here! This building today was likely moved several feet east on Jericho to make room for eventual expansion of Willis Av, as once noted by Al Velocci. For me it was 136 Jericho that first gave this mystery away. Howard, sending multiple views of this well photographed corner.

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Krug's Hotel in Mineola Circa 1912 Revised 7/26/2016

Brian- Try going in with this link http://alex.sinc.stonybrook.edu/1938ind.html
I tried again and seems fine on this end.

From The 1938 U.S. Department of Agriculture Aerial Suvey of Nassau County #2: Garden City to East Meadow

That appears to be the Krug’s Corner Hotel, looking north and east.  Since it has the mansard roof installed it’s definitely after the 1910 Vanderbilt race.  I will guess the early 20’s as I see the highest NY plate is in the 30,000 range.  Other photos from the 20’s seem to show awnings on the upper windows which may have eventually been necessary for comfort of the guests.  There also appears to be a massive amount of electric lines on the one pole, which shows progress.  So perhaps 1923. 

As for the cars…...I have enough trouble figuring them out looking at the front of them so I will leave that to others.

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Krug's Hotel in Mineola Circa 1912 Revised 7/26/2016

Identify the building. When was it on the course for the Vanderbilt Cup Races?
Krug Corner Hotel; 1904, 1905, 1906
What is the orientation of the photo?  Looking east along Jericho Turnpike
What is the approximate year of the photo? Provide a rationale. 1910-1913 License plate format (12345, no dashes) and white on dark background might be the clue. 
Identify one or more of the automobiles in the photo; will leave that to the experts

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Krug's Hotel in Mineola Circa 1912 Revised 7/26/2016

Initially, I was able to search freely on the Stony Brook website. Unless I’m missing something, whatever aerial maps I want to view are not coming up. Maybe Stony Brook is restricting access because of all our searching? I did print out a 1938 aerial of my childhood home and surrounding area in Brentwood. When I lived there it was a 1/2 acre. It looked to be a full acre in 1938, and farmlike. I hope the map coordinates I emailed covering the LIMP in Suffolk County circa 1938 will be helpful to you, Howard.

From The 1938 U.S. Department of Agriculture Aerial Suvey of Nassau County #2: Garden City to East Meadow

Sam——you are a LIMP master but I looked at your pic but that is not the location of the LIMP! That is where I originally thought it was as well. It makes sense and the power lines are there and it’s blocked off but that’s not it! - it is a bit more north behind 555 Broadhollow.

From Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Adventure” XII: Final Destination Melville

That’s the famous Krug’s Hotel located on the northwest corner of Willis Avenue and Jericho Tpke in Mineola whose occupants had a front row seat for the 1904, 1905, and 1906 Vanderbilt Cup Races. The photographer’s camera was pointed northeast with the cars facing east on Jericho Tpke. Based on the design of the license plates on the cars, the photo was taken in 1910, 1911, or 1912. If the photo was in color, we would know for sure based on the background color of the plate. Since 1910 had a dark blue color, I’ll guess that year. I’ll leave the identification of the cars to the real experts because I have no clue.

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Krug's Hotel in Mineola Circa 1912 Revised 7/26/2016

-Identify the building. When was it on the course for the Vanderbilt Cup Races?
Krug’s hotel. Jericho Turnpike. On the 1904/5/6 cup race courses

-What is the orientation of the photo?
The cars in the photo on Jericho Tpke are heading in the East direction. The building at 136 Jericho Tpke (that still stands) can be seen along the right edge of the photo.

-What is the approximate year of the photo? Provide a rationale.
Judging by the 3rd floor addition to Krugs and the license plates, I’ll guess 1910.

-Identify one or more of the automobiles in the photo
Didn’t come up with much on this one but also didn’t have the time to look ‘em up…we’ll have to leave it to Ariejan Bos to make some positive vehicular identifications!

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Krug's Hotel in Mineola Circa 1912 Revised 7/26/2016

Krug’s Hotel at Jericho and Willis Avenue northwest corner.
1910 looking east.

From Mystery Foto #30 Solved: Krug's Hotel in Mineola Circa 1912 Revised 7/26/2016

Oops - I KNEW I had a pic of the RoW on the west side of 110!  It’s on an image-rich but unrestored page 7 <http://sbiii.com/limpkwy7.html> on my site (I’ll restore it right now) and the pic is available at <http://sbiii.com/b-uattwn/meiii3/pix/limp5-19.jpg>.  Watch out, though; there are several 555s on 110 - the one you mean is 555 Broad Hollow Road - 8½ miles south, the south side of the U. S. Postal facility.  Sam, III

From Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Adventure” XII: Final Destination Melville

Way to go, Sam (and Dad)!  Thanks again.  Minor typo, though - “Deep Park Avenue in Dix Hills.”  I’ve been deep in the park exploring the LIMP but not at Deer Park Road/Avenue.  Sam, III

From Sam & Dave’s “Excellent Motor Parkway Adventure” XII: Final Destination Melville