Vanderbilt Cup Races

That 1934 HT front is a direct rip-off of the 1933 Chrysler grille and bumper!  Cantrell woodie, eh?  See <http://sbiii.com/longis-3.html#fultcant> and <http://sbiii.com/chryslr5.html#powerwgn> for more about Cantrell.  What a thread this post turned out to be!  Thanks, all.  Sam, III

From Update#2:Mystery Foto #27 Solved : A 1935 Hudson Special Eight in Front of the Roslyn Mill Tea House

Tim Helck (grandson of Peter Helck)

Do you think it could be the spoon mentioned in the memoirs?:

http://peterhelck.com/memoirs/memoirs.html (part 2)

From VMCCA member Bill Pollock heard of a desirable trinket in the possession of his California friend, Dr. Orland Wiseman. He described it as a small silver spoon on the bowl of which was a perfect representation of “Old 16”. This impelled an inquiry to which the Doctor replied promptly that a direct sale was out. He would, though, consider a swap. What goodies had I on the Three P’s, Packard, Peerless, Pierce-Arrow? Not much, only a small handsome book issued by Peerless at the time of opening their 8-story salesroom and shops on New York’s Auto Row. This I described fully and upon request sent it off. The Doctor liked it, consulted the Harrah Librarian as to its worth, offered me this sum and that deal was satisfactorily ended. But the spoon remained unfinished business. Back on swap terms he suggested I do a small painting of his Pierce-Arrow. I countered with the suggestion of Barney on the Peerless “Green Dragon”. Then, perhaps under Harrah influence, the Three P’s were dropped. Would I do one of the New York-Paris Thomas? I did so with pleasure, the spoon came east and fully measured up to all expectations. It was a nice friendly transaction with satisfaction all around.

From Vanderbilia: The Old 16 Locomobile Spoon

What a great shot!  This is Garden City looking west-northwest.  LIMP is in the bottom right quadrant as its coming from the north, goes over the LIRR and under Old Country road.  A few hangers from Roosevelt field are also present in the bottom right. 

The circles are from the Mineola Fairgrounds, which I believe had automobile racing and ran parallel to Washington Ave.  The court buildings are currently in that location.

The reason why I love this shot so much is I’ve never seen a picture of the Mott section with buildings that belonged to Camp Mills.  If I had to guess this was 31 or 32, since the Motts went up starting in 36.

I would love to see more GC pics from this era.

From Update #3: Mystery Foto #28 Solved: A 1931 Aerial of the Motor Parkway in Garden City and Mineola

Correction; not the Central RR line- it’s the main LIRR line

From Update #3: Mystery Foto #28 Solved: A 1931 Aerial of the Motor Parkway in Garden City and Mineola

Identify the aerial’s location and orientation of the photographer.
Over Roosevelt Field looking West-Northwest directly at Mineola.

Identify the major roads and a railroad.
Central Line, Old Country Rd, Jericho Tpke, Clinton Ave.

Identify the bridges of the Long Island Motor Parkway.
Mineola RR bridge, Old Country Rd, and the Mayan ruins

What is the series of ovals on the left section of the aerial? What is currently in this location?
Mineola Fairgrounds- now the Supreme Court building

Identify the buildings in the lower right section of the aerial.
Roosevelt Field buildings and entrance at the intersection of OCR and Clinton

What is the approximate date of the aerial? Provide a rationale.
Mid to late 1930’s- LIMP appears to still be active and the Roosevelt Field buildings approximate the date for me

Kudos bonus: Identify a building in the aerial that was associated with the 1904 Vanderbilt Cup Race.
Krugs Hotel on Jericho Tpke.

From Update #3: Mystery Foto #28 Solved: A 1931 Aerial of the Motor Parkway in Garden City and Mineola

Thanks Sam for that info about the Lincoln and Chrysler with all those suicide doors.Obviously some people thought it was a good idea. Also as a footnote some present day Bentley’s have suicide doors and I’m sure that there is some magic technology that prevents the doors from opening when car is moving.

From Update#2:Mystery Foto #27 Solved : A 1935 Hudson Special Eight in Front of the Roslyn Mill Tea House

Dick, here’s a stock 1935 Packard 120 Club Sedan with four suicide doors:

http://car-from-uk.com/sale.php?id=25137&country=us

Hadda do that to you!  Some 1934 Chryslers had ‘em but gone by 1935.  Mark, 1935 Hudson and Terraplane hood side grilles are the same on pix I found.  I once drove a weird late ‘30s Hudson that had BOTH a standard floor stick AND an Electric Hand and also a strange Olds {?} of the same vintage that had BOTH a very early Hydramatic AND a manual tranny in series.  Perhaps the oddest of all was a relative’s ca. 1948 MG Y saloon with an Electric Hand - ridiculous!  Sam, III

From Update#2:Mystery Foto #27 Solved : A 1935 Hudson Special Eight in Front of the Roslyn Mill Tea House

Glad that many came to help and learn. I recall quite a few headstones in the Brentwood Cemetery that need some TLC. Have to find out if there’s a cleaning program in my neck of the woods. Very neat, thanks for posting Howard.
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Howard Kroplick

Brian, Joe Tracy’s grave site is in the Brentwood Cemetery.

http://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/blog/article/vanderbiltcupraces.com_exclusive_the_helck_family_memoirs_2_joe_tracy_and_t

From Update #1: Seven Long Island Motor Parkway Preservation Members Help to Preserve a Town Landmark

Another thing to identify the regular Hudson from the Terraplane is the hood engine side vent grill, different. Interesting option available in 1935 Hudsons of the Bendix Electric Hand Shifter, that became available on the 1936 Cord, that some of the left over? transmission with that feature was refurbish and put in the first 51 made Tucker 48, until the Tucker developed auto transmission to be put in at the regular production that didn’t happen.

From Update#2:Mystery Foto #27 Solved : A 1935 Hudson Special Eight in Front of the Roslyn Mill Tea House

Thanks Howard for the vane picture and Al for the cost.  I would LOVE to buy one of those

From Cradle of Aviation Archives: Hangars and Aircraft of Roosevelt Field Along Clinton Avenue

Wish I could add to this; there was a very good pic of the vane around some 20-30 years back but I can’t find it,  Perhaps the LIMPPS member would be kind enough to favo(u)r us with a good photo.  Sam, III

From Cradle of Aviation Archives: Hangars and Aircraft of Roosevelt Field Along Clinton Avenue

Regarding the Mystery Foto of the Hudson I am amused to see all four doors are SUICIDE DOORS. Seems unusual, even for a car from that era.

From Update#2:Mystery Foto #27 Solved : A 1935 Hudson Special Eight in Front of the Roslyn Mill Tea House

John Mahoney:
The photo shown is a 1935 Hudson, and it look like it was taken in the town of Roslyn in front of the Grist Mil

From Update#2:Mystery Foto #27 Solved : A 1935 Hudson Special Eight in Front of the Roslyn Mill Tea House

Thanks Sam‼️  About 25 years ago there was a fantastic racing car weather vane on top of the house…..it’s gone now??? but the last time I visited there were lots of cement posts along the road.
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Howard Kroplick

Janet, here is the weathervane: http://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/blog/article/wednesday_january_6_2010_the_motor_parkway_weather_vane

It is currently owned by a member of the Long Island Motor Parkway Preservation Society.

From Cradle of Aviation Archives: Hangars and Aircraft of Roosevelt Field Along Clinton Avenue

Knew I knew that mascot!  Nitpicking again - Terraplane was “just” a model of Hudson in 1935.  Looking at side views, unless you can read the hubcaps, how can you tell a Hudson from a Terraplane?  Howard N.‘s comment raises a question.  I always “knew” the roadway had been raised but the mill dam did NOT obscure the ground floor in the ca. 1890 photo.  When was the dam raised or the roadway elevated?  Sam, III
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Howard Kroplick I

Sam, that is an excellent question. I believe in the late 1890s, the current “Old Northern Boulevard” was paved on top of the Mill Dam and was higher than the ground floor of the Roslyn Grist Mill. in the 1920s, the road was raised again, likely due to flooding from Silver Lake and Hempstead Harbor.

From Update#2:Mystery Foto #27 Solved : A 1935 Hudson Special Eight in Front of the Roslyn Mill Tea House

ID make/year of auto: 1935 Hudson Terraplane?

AD location/ ID Landmark Building/ Original Use: No luck on my end, ran out of time. I suspect this building is in the heart of Roslyn, vicinity of the clock tower.

From Update#2:Mystery Foto #27 Solved : A 1935 Hudson Special Eight in Front of the Roslyn Mill Tea House

I have one question.  Why didn’t Chrysler, just make another one?  I mean, it’s not like they didn’t have the money!  Hell, they had a damn nice looking “idea” car!  Lost or not, they should’ve followed thru, and made another one.  Hell, they were reimbursed by the insurance co.‘s anyway!  So Chrysler didn’t lose a dime!

From The 1956 Chrysler Norseman Concept Car Lost at Sea Updated 1/13/16

Mystery Foto# 27… Sadly I can’t remember if I already sent in my answer for this week’s Mystery Foto so here it is.
The car in the photo is a 1935 Hudson Terraplane. The photo in the ad was shot in front of The Roslyn Mill Tea House on Old Northern Boulevard in Roslyn. The building, built in the early 18th century, was originally a Grist Mill but in 1916 it became the Roslyn Mill Tea House as shown here.
And if you go down to your local Hudson dealer you can buy one of these for about $695.00 according to the ad.

From Update#2:Mystery Foto #27 Solved : A 1935 Hudson Special Eight in Front of the Roslyn Mill Tea House

Vehicle - 1935 Hudson sedan
The ad was photographed in the Village of Roslyn on Old Northern Blvd.

The building is the old Roslyn Grist Mill.  It was used as a grist mill until being turned into a restaurant in the early 1900’s.  The restaurant was the Roslyn Mill Tea House at the time the photo was shot.

From Update#2:Mystery Foto #27 Solved : A 1935 Hudson Special Eight in Front of the Roslyn Mill Tea House

The car - 1935 Hudson Special Country Club Eight series HTL
The photo location - On Old Northern Blvd., Downtown Roslyn NY
The landmark building - The Old Grist Mill - A restaurant at the time of photo?

From Update#2:Mystery Foto #27 Solved : A 1935 Hudson Special Eight in Front of the Roslyn Mill Tea House