Vanderbilt Cup Races

Massapequa Lodge facing east, car turning onto the temporary road leading to Hicksville Road north on 107. Either 1909 or 1910 and I’ll bet its the Black Beast which I think won that race. Don’t know the driver but it definitely wasn’t Howard, who was probably too young to drive at the time….. : )

From Mystery Foto #43 Solved:#7 Chalmers at the Hicksville Road Turn During the 1909 Vanderbilt Cup Race

Wonderful!  I exhibit my art at CCCA annual gathering at the Gilmore in Mich each year (invited with 10 artists).  Great club, the Classics are my favorites.

From The Classic Car Magazine Cover Story: "A Chrysler for the Mrs."

I see the Massapequa Lodge sneaking into the right side of this picture.  The car is exiting the LIMP and heading north.  1909-1910.

From Mystery Foto #43 Solved:#7 Chalmers at the Hicksville Road Turn During the 1909 Vanderbilt Cup Race

Mystery Foto #43… The photo is at the Vanderbilt Cup Race on October 30, 1909. Driver, William Knipper with mechanician, Robert Muller are in the # 7 Chalmers-Detroit racer. The location shown is Massapequa turn just after the end of the Motor Parkway portion of the course. Building on the right is Massapequa Lodge. The sign at the left marks the exit of Motor Parkway where the cars turn north bound to Massapequa-Hicksville road.

From Mystery Foto #43 Solved:#7 Chalmers at the Hicksville Road Turn During the 1909 Vanderbilt Cup Race

Howard, Is the showing of Tucker 44 still on tomorrow at Ida Automotive with the nor’easter expected on Saturday 10/27/18 ????

Howard Kroplick

It is. A go. Just a drizzle in New Jersey.

From Hold the Date- October 27, 2018: Tucker 1044 Open House at Ida Automotive in Marlboro, New Jersey

*Race & Date:  VCR 10/30/1909

*Car, Driver & Mechanician:  #7 Chalmers-Detroit ( USA ). William Knipper & Robert Muller. #3rd place for this race.

*Location of Race Car:  Their making the north turn towards Hicksville Rd. The curved temporary road links the LIMP & Hicksville Rd.

*Building on right:  Massapequa Toll Lodge

*Banner to the left:  Can’t make out all the words. Banner is above the LIMP continuing east. Perhaps it’s reminding the drivers to not continue eastbound on the LIMP and keep left to Hicksville Rd.

From Mystery Foto #43 Solved:#7 Chalmers at the Hicksville Road Turn During the 1909 Vanderbilt Cup Race

I knew Nick Jenin and his daughter Sandy.  If she is in South USA, please have someone contact me.  I never got to see his Tuckers, but Sandy offered me a chance to do so.  I joined the USAF soon after and never got that chance.

Regards,

Luckey

From Mystery Foto #26 Solved: The Two-Tone Tucker 1046 in 1956 at Sebring, Florida

Whoops, it’s not a Pierce-Arrow. To the right of the Packard I believe is a Peerless.

From Mystery Foto #43 Solved:#7 Chalmers at the Hicksville Road Turn During the 1909 Vanderbilt Cup Race

On the bank, between the Packard 30 and the Pierce-Arrow, is a car with louvers on *top* of its hood, which I’ve never seen ... anyone know what it might be?

From Mystery Foto #43 Solved:#7 Chalmers at the Hicksville Road Turn During the 1909 Vanderbilt Cup Race

-The race and date of the photo.
1909 Vanderbilt Cup Race
October 30, 1909

-The race car, driver and mechanician.
#7 Chalmers-Detroit (USA) driven by William Knipper. Finished 3rd. Led most number of laps. Developed oil problems during lap 20. Mechanician: Robert Muller

-The location of the race car.
-The building on the right.
The turn off the newly built Motor Parkway just after the Massapequa Lodge, headed toward Massapequa-Hicksville Road.

-What was the purpose of the sign on the left?
The banner read;  “Exit For Contestants” instructing drivers they were required to continue on the Motor Parkway to the Bethpage Lodge for an inspection after the racers finished their laps.

From Mystery Foto #43 Solved:#7 Chalmers at the Hicksville Road Turn During the 1909 Vanderbilt Cup Race

What took you so long Frank??? You are the map king! Wayne’s map is awesome and it’s pretty cool that he was first to congratulate you on this new map.

I have to explore it more thoroughly, I haven’t been on top of the LIMP as I would like. Busy lately.

Question: Did you do your own research in terms of laying out the LIMP ROW? Or did you piggy back off of Wayne’s map for that? Did you have any points where you disagreed with Wayne’s map? I’m very curious.

From Femenias Findings: A New Interactive Online Map of the Long Island Motor Parkway

Fantastic pics of their collection

From Exclusive: Photos from the Wallis C. Bird and Marjorie Winifred Kendall Bird Family Album

I am still flabbergasted when I see all these historic glimpses. How fortunate we are to now be able to fill in some gaps in the coming of the motor parkway.

From Clinton Robertson Photo Album: Westbury Avenue Motor Parkway/Trolley Bridge in Mineola/Carle Place

Amazing cars!

From Mystery Foto #35 Solved:Two Record-Breaking Duesenbergs at the Long Island Automotive Museum in 1949

WOW again! Excellent photo submissions by all. And yet another first in photos; an actual shot of the Huntington Lodge at its original location. No porte cochere! Edith’s farm was just missed in the bottom right corner. Fabulous high resolution photo Richard!

From Mystery Foto #42 Solved: "Farmingdale State College" and the Long Island Motor Parkway in 1924

Awesome job Frank! Can I make some suggestions for markings and links for Grave’s Garage and Krug’s Corner as well?

From Femenias Findings: A New Interactive Online Map of the Long Island Motor Parkway

I’m stumped but have a feeling it’s Great Neck looking ESE

From Mystery Foto #42 Solved: "Farmingdale State College" and the Long Island Motor Parkway in 1924

Location of photo - Farmingdale/Melville facing mostly to the north
School - Farmingdale State College
Major Roads - Broad Hollow Rd (Rt 110), Melville Rd, Bethpage/Spagnoli Rd, Huntington Railroad old trolley line, LIMP (Broad Hollow bridge and Huntington Lodge)
Date of Photo - The trolley line stopped operation in 1927 and it appears the line is abandoned in the photo.  Knapp Hall was built in 1937 and is not in the photo.  Thompson Hall was built in 1938 and is also not in the photo. I would date the photo as taken in the early 1930’s (1930-1935).
LIMP structures - The Broad Hollow combination road/trolley bridge, LIMP Huntington Lodge
Unusual - One of 2 LIMP trolley combination bridges, the other Westbury Ave

From Mystery Foto #42 Solved: "Farmingdale State College" and the Long Island Motor Parkway in 1924

Excellant Frank! Great virtual drive of our favorite road!

From Femenias Findings: A New Interactive Online Map of the Long Island Motor Parkway

So much fun coming across these 1944 images of the original LIMP bridge/trestle over the Central RR ROW.

Does anyone happen to know or remember when Bell Blvd was established? The “NY CITY Map ” website ( 1924 aerial ) displays a very narrow path or road that dead ends at the north side of the Central ROW. This path/road lines up with today’s Bell Blvd. The LIMP doesn’t extend to this area yet in 1924, but we know this will happen soon after. Then the 1951 aerial displays Bell Blvd, LIMP basically how it looks presently. The original LIMP curved section is clearly seen as well. The RR bridge abutments that were utilized were situated just west of Bell Blvd. With this information, Bell Blvd didn’t extend south of the LIMP say until after 1940? The 1941 image above displays what must be Bell Blvd north & south beneath the original LIMP ( no new bridge yet ). The 1944 images describe as “The proposed extension of Bell Blvd”. And I don’t see any hint of a road in 1944. Thinking the mystery images to be 1940 or older.

The original LIMP was set to run a dead west from Rocky Hill Rd. No overpass was needed being that Bell Blvd didn’t exist yet, and the Central RR ROW was basically abandoned. Don’t think anyone expressed this yet, but I’m thinking that the entity that still owned the RR ROW must have requested the parkway not to sever the ROW. The LIMP organization agreed, and utilized the old RR abutments instead of starting from scratch.

From Updated: Mystery Foto #9 Solved: The Central R.R. Motor Parkway Bridge in Queens