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Jan 21 2018 Laura and Kenneth Harris 11:36 AM

Thanks for the historical research.  That area was not very far from where I lived as a child in the 1950’s.

Ken Harris

From Update: The Vanderbilt Cup Race Driver who was Developing a Unique "City" Near the Motor Parkway

Jan 21 2018 Oren Bloom 7:12 AM

Special interest to me:  Area is less than 3/4 mile from Billy Joel"s early Meeting Lane, Hicksville home, and less than mile from my childhood Heather Lane, Levittown home.

From Update: The Vanderbilt Cup Race Driver who was Developing a Unique "City" Near the Motor Parkway

Jan 21 2018 S. Berliner, III 1:30 AM

Lest any other curious LIMPers also get confused, the Frisia was purchased from the RHL Line by the Hamburg-American Line ca. Jan 1922 (and was reportedly to be renamed Holsatia, after the 1868-1916 ship of that name).  Sam, III

From William K. Vanderbilt, Jr.'s Yacht: Tarantula II (1913-1918)

Jan 21 2018 S. Berliner, III 1:02 AM

Re the Transactions document, 06 Apr 1920, Lots 176 and 178, my ex and I each worked with a Fippinger (related to each other) ca. 1970-90; I’ll see if I can track either one down.  This could prove interesting.  Sam, III

From Update: The Vanderbilt Cup Race Driver who was Developing a Unique "City" Near the Motor Parkway

Jan 21 2018 Jim Barnes 12:42 AM

Your site gets better and better.
Did you get to meet Steve gettle.an in great neck.he drives a open car that was owned by the vanderbilts
You two have to meet.
I mentioned you to him at one show and he said you had not met yet.
This was last year.
I hope you have met by now.
If not let me know a d I will get you two together.
Jim barnes

From William K. Vanderbilt, Jr.'s Yacht: Tarantula II (1913-1918)

Jan 20 2018 Joe Oesterle 11:55 PM

Thanks again.  Your crew never seems to fail when it comes to highlighting lost bits of history.  I love posts like this.
-joe o

From Update: The Vanderbilt Cup Race Driver who was Developing a Unique "City" Near the Motor Parkway

Jan 20 2018 Louise esposito 10:27 AM

My parents collected antiques.  I am in the process of cleaning out my 92-year-old fathers home and I found an envelope attached to the back a dresser that my parents had bought from an antique dealer. In the envelope is a note hand written by Gladys van Ausdall stating that this highboy Dresser belonged to her father. It states the dresser never left Coldspring Harbor since the middle 1800’s and had been at their home on Grove Street as well as in the roadhouse. We still have the dresser and if I can figure out how to attach a picture of the note and the dresser, I will.  The note is signed by Gladys and dated 1966.

From Mystery Foto #59 Solved: The Van Ausdall's Hotel in Cold Spring Harbor, NY Circa 1914

Jan 20 2018 Art Kleiner 7:28 AM

Dave - pertaining to Levittown and why the Motor Parkway area hasn’t until now been developed, living in Levittown I’ve done some research.  I can’t tell you why Levitt never purchased the Motor Parkway property (perhaps the aviation field didn’t want to sell), but over the years its been at the center of a long protracted legal battle between the developer who was able to buy the property some 25 or 30 years ago (Josato at one time) and the Town of Hempstead.  The property changed hands in what appeared to be a sweetheart deal ($80,000) with the developer thinking he was going to be able to build homes.  However, when Levittown was created, there were a number of zoning covenants/requirements (i.e. building of sub-developments, lot sizes, front and side yard area, etc.) built into the deeds that were even more restrictive than the Town zoning laws. 

These covenants were set to expire in 1975 but probably at the request of Levittown residents, the Town Board adopted Resolution No. 1781-1975 on Dec. 9, 1975 that created a new zoning district within the Town’s Building Zone Ordinance named the “Levittown Planned Residence District” (LPRD).  This kept some of the original building requirements and has been used over the last 30 years as the basis for the legal battles between the community and developers and up until very recently has held up. 

From my website which obviously needs updating. 
http://www.freewebs.com/limparkway/levittown2012.htm

From Aerial Advertising Banners Flying Over the 1909 Vanderbilt Cup Race Grandstand

Jan 18 2018 Dave Russo 9:43 PM

It makes no sense to me that for over 100 years somehow the LIMP location at this grandstand location was not built on. In a town that is so nationally famous for its amazingly aggressive construction somehow this exact location avoided construction. There has to be a reason. It just makes no sense. Maybe something was planned at some time for this spot? Some sort of recognition? Well as we all know there are new houses up on this location now.

From Aerial Advertising Banners Flying Over the 1909 Vanderbilt Cup Race Grandstand

Jan 18 2018 Dave Russo 9:32 PM

Very Cool to see. Seeing stuff like this just makes me think how cool of a spot this grandstand location was and how there is zero education/appreciation/knowledge about this Levittown spot from the general public. I had many friends in Levittown growing up and nobody knew about this.

From Aerial Advertising Banners Flying Over the 1909 Vanderbilt Cup Race Grandstand

Jan 18 2018 Brian D McCarthy 1:20 PM

Very cool info Howard, thanks! Thoroughly enjoyed reading about Samuel F Perkins. I’m sure others will as well.
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Howard Kroplick

Brian, thanks for the feedback! I first saw a Vanderbilt Cup Race “flying banner” photo years ago. I finally decided to research this Very unusual advertising media in 1909.

From Aerial Advertising Banners Flying Over the 1909 Vanderbilt Cup Race Grandstand

Jan 17 2018 Brian D McCarthy 2:15 PM

Tarantula? Curious name for the vessel. I remember reading that Willy K wanted to enlist in the Navy, but was denied because of health reasons ( also read that he was frequently sick as a child ). This didn’t seem to discourage him. He offered/donated some of his vessels to the Navy to support the war effort?

From William K. Vanderbilt, Jr.'s Yacht: Tarantula II (1913-1918)

Jan 17 2018 Denise 12:43 PM

Made me smile with enjoyment.  Thanks for posting this and for the determined & successful detective work complete with photos.

From VanderbiltCupRaces.com Exclusive: The Lost East Wing of the Long Island Aviation Country Club

Jan 16 2018 S. Berliner, III 9:34 PM

If you’ll allow me, here’s a perfect place to ask old Panelists and newer M. P. Pres. Soc. readers if anyone has new info. about my claim that there was an “apron” leading back to 193rd Street:

  http://sbiii.com/limp-qns.html#193rdstr

I never have uncovered the photos to back it up.  Sam, III

From Updated:Mystery Foto #2 Solved:An Aerial of Fresh Meadows from the New York Life Archives Circa 1950

Jan 16 2018 frank femenias 8:46 PM

Great info here by all on the LIMP terminus and surrounding area. David’s observations help narrow the year when the N Hemp Tpke bridge was removed. 1955 now makes a lot more sense. Upon the school’s completion (1955), it must’ve been mandatory to have the bridge removed as well. I’d love to hear childhood resident Roy Warner’s input here. Even though Roy lived on the opposite side of the boulevard, kids wander off exploring new reaches in all directions, never forgetting their experiences along the way. I never forgot mine.

From Updated:Mystery Foto #2 Solved:An Aerial of Fresh Meadows from the New York Life Archives Circa 1950

Jan 15 2018 Frank Mendyk 5:13 PM

The aerial photo is facing towards the southeast over Fresh Meadows, Cunningham Park, and Hollis Harding Blvd ( Nassau Blvd Toll House/Lodge and the western terminus of the LIMP.).
LIMP bridges that can be seen are, North Hempstead Turnpike, 73rd Ave, and the Francis Lewis Blvd bike path overpass bridge,  Hollis Court Blvd and Bell Blvd bridges are in the photo but can not be seen.

The photo is taken most likely by the New York Life Insurance Company for their Fresh Meadows Housing Development Project. The photo is from the New York Life archives.  New York Life started the development in Feb 1946 after purchasing the old Fresh Meadows Golf Club. The project was built from 1946 until 1949.  The LI expressway was started in 1954 along Horace Harding Blvd. 
The Clearview Expressway was started near the location in Sept of 1956.
You do not see these projects started. A rough date of the photo would then be from 1948 until 1953. 
My best guess is that the photo was taken in 1948.  The photo was to document NY Life’s Fresh Meadows Housing Development.  You can also observe the 2 acre Oak Grove Park in the photo.

From Updated:Mystery Foto #2 Solved:An Aerial of Fresh Meadows from the New York Life Archives Circa 1950

Jan 15 2018 Howard Kroplick 12:50 PM

David Stephan

As an unofficial historian for a Fresh Meadows civic group, I felt I had to answer Friday’s questions. Please abridge or excerpt this response to suit the needs of your blog.
Regards,
David
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The aerial is Fresh Meadows and the photographer is facing east-southeast. As a reference, 188th St that slices through the Fresh Meadows development and contains two traffic circles (ovals) approximately aligns with magnetic north. The foto is a Thomas Airviews aerial and would have been taken for the benefit of the developer, the New York Life Insurance Company, and, perhaps, the complex designer, Voorhees, Walker, Foley & Smith. Similar pictures exist in the Fresh Meadows archive that NY Life created and which is now held by the current owner of the Fresh Meadows residential development.

Both Motor Parkway bridge #1 (North Hempstead Tpke) & #2 (73rd Avenue) can be clearly seen. Also seen is the bridge over Francis Lewis Blvd. constructed in the early 1940s under the supervision of Robert Moses and considered a “honorary” Motor Parkway bridge by us locals.

Evidence in the picture suggests this aerial was taken in 1951.

Homes have been built on a newly constructed segment of 185th St., just south of 64th Avenue, which means picture cannot be from before 1950. (The new 185th St. segment appears as a broad white stripe to the west of the development.) The neighboring Meadowlark Gardens apartment complex has been completed, which dates the picture to no earlier than 1951. New homes line the new 196th Place (thin white line the centers a wide spacing between homes south of 73rd Avenue), both of which were constructed during the 1950-51 period.

Because PS 179Q on Peck Avenue was built in 1955, many would know that the aerial is from before 1955, but careful analysis of street trees and other small details establishes a much earlier “before” date.

Searching the Digital Collections of the NYS Archives uncovers several aerials of “Fresh Meadows Housing” dated September 5, 1951, including a photo with the identifier NYSA_B1598-99_3653 that features the Fresh Meadows main shopping center along Horace Harding Blvd. The 188th St. northern oval remembers Pvt. Edgar G. (“Gilbert”) Holmes, Jr., said to be, in July, 1950, the first New Yorker killed in combat in the Korean War. The attached closeup of a September 5, 1951 aerial includes the American flagpole and boulder-mounted plaque (irregular white object to the left of the left walkway) and a number of trees planted around the center evergreen.  Mystery Foto #2 does not include all those details nor does it show the more mature tree close to the flagpole in the attached that some have stated is also part of the Holmes memorial. 

These observations establish that the photo was taken before September 1951.  (Other comparisons between the mystery foto and related archive images can be made to support that conclusion.) Because the picture cannot have been taken before 1951, the aerial must have been taken sometime in 1951. And because trees are full of leaves, the aerial cannot be from the early winter months of 1951, suggesting a late spring or summer date.

[The area that was to become the site of the boulder-mounted plaque appears dark (disturbed) in the mystery foto, but that darkness may be an artifact of the reproduced photo.]

P.S. As for the demise of Motor Parkway bridge #1, my older sister and her peers discovered the thrill of riding down the eastern edge of the northern abutment. Nervous Fresh Meadows parents began to see the bridge as a safety hazard and this led to the bridge being fenced off in an attempt to prevent children from getting onto the bridge deck. When that failed to discourage us children (it was easy to sneak past the fencing), the adults lobbied to have the bridge taken down. Because I remember that one time I “finally” had the “courage” to copy my sister—and ended up immensely enjoyed my ride down that forbidden abutment—the bridge must have been taken down sometime after 1955, as I was not even riding a tricycle in 1955!

From Updated:Mystery Foto #2 Solved:An Aerial of Fresh Meadows from the New York Life Archives Circa 1950

Jan 15 2018 Tim Ivers 10:19 AM

Looks like a late 1930s aerial looking northeast over Creedmoor Psychiatrc Center
with the Winchester Blvd bridge showing at top left and the Commonwealth Blvd. bridge
at top right, and Grand Central Pkwy running laft to right across top just above the LIMP right of way. Photo might be from the Fairchild collection.

From Updated:Mystery Foto #2 Solved:An Aerial of Fresh Meadows from the New York Life Archives Circa 1950

Jan 15 2018 John Tucker 9:49 AM

1044 was truly a joy to drive, even for short jaunt around the AACA Museum last fall and the chance to spend time with you and the car. Thank you and I will see you in a couple of weeks.

From Updated: Hemmings Classic Car Cover Article: Tucker On the Road in the Ultimate Driveable Dream

Jan 15 2018 Mike Cain 9:16 AM

I’m a subscriber of Classic Car and wasn’t at all surprised your historic car is on the cover. I didn’t know about the unique suspension either. Just curious Howard, how long did it take to put this feature with the great article and pictures together? More than one day?
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Howard Kroplick

Mike, it was a two-hour photo shoot of the Tucker 1044 and the 1963 Mustang III Concept Show Car. Lots of fun! with Richard Lentinello- a great guy!

From Updated: Hemmings Classic Car Cover Article: Tucker On the Road in the Ultimate Driveable Dream

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